Interesting to hear your comments on the Avon ZZ3s. I had those at the rear end of my fabia and they didn't grip as well as the Michelin Primacys in the wet, which I though was quite an achievement!

Ultimately, combined with bad road conditions and potentially driving like a tool, I'd put those ZZ3s as the contributor to writing my 1yr old Fabia vrs off :(

Just goes to show that tyre performance can vary tremendously with the car they are fitted to

I have Toyo T1-Rs and I like them, pretty grippy and don't fade even when you give them abuse and they heat up nicely. They do get a bit shabby in the wet when wearing out though, but guess most tyres do that.

Although, that of course is on a Fabia and may be completely different on the Octy

TFBOY - thats really interesting to read.

I know of at least one other person that rates the ZZ3's as pretty poor so Im now at a loss as to why I feel they are so good I'll try to explain...

The best dry tyres Ive run have been the Toyo T1S and the best wet weather tyres (again imo) have been the Uniroyal Rainsport 1's. I pretty much used these exclusively on my last car (a 330bhp fwd) and was very impressed with them.

Then I was recommended the ZZ3's by a professional driver and I had to agree with him - they seem to combine 90% of the ability of the Toyos in the dry and 90% of the ability of the uniroyals in the wet. They have lasted 9,500 miles which is fair considering what I ask of them and they are now at 3mm (which is when I replace tires).

As I said in the previous post though, its interesting to see how people have such different views on the same products - I guess if we all agreed on things; forums like this wouldnt even be half as informative!

Cheers,

Lee

Sorry to bump up an old thread! .

Just had a set of 225/45/17 Toyo T1R's fitted for

Just also throwing another one in - has anyone tried Falken FK452s?

Sorry to bump up an old thread! .

Just had a set of 225/45/17 Toyo T1R's fitted for

Sorry to bump up an old thread! .

Just had a set of 225/45/17 Toyo T1R's fitted for

Yeah cheers Stuart,

I know to go gently on them for a bit .

My drive to work is twisty back lanes so I'll be especially carefull for the next week or two - usually do around 300 miles a week or so, shouldn't be too long before I can find out what they're like!

(Assuming it ever stops raining around here................:( )

Is there a difference between T1-R's and T1-S's ?....maybe its a typo.

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The T1-S were the 'mk1' versions. The T1-R has stiffer sidewalls and shoulders iirc.

T1-S are the earlier ones where the 'V' pattern runs across the full width of the tyre. T1-R is the new version with a similar pattern but which now has a radial channel about an inch in from each wall. I believe the compound between wall and channel is harder than the main V pattern and helps reduce the wear rate.

Or a could be talking rubbish

MrGT, you may or may not be talking rubbish about the dual compound thing (but they can do that now [so I've no idea whether you are or not]). The tread blocks between that radial channel and the wall look to be a different shaping, which would make them stiffer, and hence more wear resistant anyway, though. Either way, it should result in an equally grippy but longer lasting tyre, which has to be a good thing yes?

MrGT, you may or may not be talking rubbish about the dual compound thing (but they can do that now [so I've no idea whether you are or not]). The tread blocks between that radial channel and the wall look to be a different shaping, which would make them stiffer, and hence more wear resistant anyway, though. Either way, it should result in an equally grippy but longer lasting tyre, which has to be a good thing yes?

For what it's worth, dual compound tyres have been available for bikes for quite sometime (Bridgestone where the first iirc) so it would make sense for the technology to have transfered to car tyres etc now.

Yeah Fluffmeister, that's how I knew that the technology exists.

Either way, it should result in an equally grippy but longer lasting tyre, which has to be a good thing yes?

I understand that that was Toyo's intention as the T1-S's main failing was quick wearing. Either way it seems to have worked

Well mine are still well and truly coated with the factory non stick to the mould stuff, judging by the amount of wheelspin I'm getting and ASR flashing .

Seems to handle ok though, obviously not pushing it on anything other than straight lines till I'm sure they're bedded in though.

I got 15K out of my last set of Yoko's, although that was a lot to do with being able to swap them all around the car every couple of thousand miles I think - hope I can get somewhere near from these but my right foot seems to have a greater effect on the forward motion in this car, wonder why?.............