Drivers can avoid speeding tickets...by changing lanes | the Daily Mail

Interesting. Where are these new average speed specs cameras anyway? I've never come across any on my travels.

Aren't new, have been around here for years. On the A43 and A428.

One on the M6 West Midlands around Junctions 8/9/10 - or so my Talex gadget tells me!

The only place that i have seen them is on several stretches of motorway that have had some road works on them.

And only if the road works are going to be in place for long time. M25 and M11 for example, the cameras are mounted on metal structures that arch over the motorway and have two mounted cameras on them. The signs on the motorway say that the cameras are average speed, speed cameras. Have not been caught as yet but the places that I have seen them the roads have been so busy that you cant do any other speed than the 40 MPH.

i remember reading somewhere about some bloke in a montego getting sent a fine for doing 850mph average

I worked out the changing lane thing years ago. Sitting behind a truck for the second camera works well too. Or just don't speed of course.

I wouldnt rely on it for ever though.

The SPECS cameras can still catch you if you change lane, its just a technicality that you must be in the same lane for the entire run for it to stick legally. However it would only allow a change in the law and they could get you.

One on the M6 West Midlands around Junctions 8/9/10 - or so my Talex gadget tells me!

Yep, there's a run of them on a stretch of the M6 at the moment and also some on the A77 in Scotland.

Down here they have started using specs cameras in short term roadworks of just a few weeks.

The worst one is on the A1 between stevenage junctions, the works are in place for just a few weeks whilst they do some work on a bridge. The limit is 50mph, but the cameras are less than 300yds apart.

the way to get out of this seems to be a potential for causing accidents (random lane changing) SOOOO therefore, doesn't it make the specs camers detremental to road saftey, and NOT good for road safety, and therefore could we ban them?!

the way to get out of this seems to be a potential for causing accidents (random lane changing) SOOOO therefore, doesn't it make the specs camers detremental to road saftey, and NOT good for road safety, and therefore could we ban them?!

Unfortunately, if they weren't talking ******** about it being "unsafe" to "change lanes" then it would probably be in with a chance. As it is, I think there are many many people who manage to correctly change lanes on motorways in accordance with lane discipline...such that this theory would never get off the ground.

Rob.

What a stupid ruling by the Home Office! Surely a camera snapping you at point A A and point B, irrespective of which lane you're in, will give an average speed over the distance which should stand legally?! Obviously if people could drive sensibly in the first place, we wouldn't need cameras, but that's a different thread...

Chris

Why not just put a suitable tolerance factor to account for the slightly differenet distances taken when in diffeenrt lanes then just go with it as is?

Better still just ditch the damn things.

anybody fancy doing a daredevil trick?? all we need to two indentical cars, we get two set of number plates made up the same, then we drive along, and fool the camera into thinking we are going backwards along the motorway

With these average speed cameras can they still catch you if you go through the first one a bit too quickly but then slow down for the others? So its only your average speed that it measures and not like a gatso?

Good old big brother... numberplate readers help show exactly where we are and where we are going

With these average speed cameras can they still catch you if you go through the first one a bit too quickly but then slow down for the others? So its only your average speed that it measures and not like a gatso?

It takes your average speed over the distance between the two cameras so in theory you could go through the first one at 150mph, then park up on the hard shoulder for x minutes, then go through the 2nd one at 150mph and not be caught. Not sure if that works in practice though

Chris

I wouldn't trust the Daily Snail to speak my weight, never mind give me legal advice! ;-)

I got cought 3 times with the Spec cameras in 1 week :(

But a legal loophole got me out of it.

The signs was not right , they was sat on the cameras.

I didnt even know they excisted until I got cought.

But I have the Snooper now that helps me.

I have noticed though that they are now on the M60 where the roadworks are

Sarah

also on M56 roadworks by junction 12 , called 40mph average speed cameras there though

They are also on the M1 between junctions 7 and 11. I go up there pretty much every day and people still spank through the roadworks and slam on the anchors for the cameras overhead:rofl:

Personally I think SPECS is a good idea in roadworks, the traffic flow is much smoother as MOST people understand the SPECS principle.

Whats the score with the cameras and people using mobile phones?

Does it see the whole car or just zero in on the number plate?

They also use the ANPR technology at Gatwick and Luton airport, you cannot drive in or out without your plates being read for very obvious reasons.

Quite a few of the trunk road trafficmaster cameras use the same technology to calculate average traffic speeds from point A to B but (IIRC) the middle 3 characters on the plates are omitted from the checks.

Think how easy it would be to make it do ALL of the numberplate :thumbdwn:

I know one of our members has a nice personal number plate that cannot be read (due to er... 'creative' spacing/numbers ect) that can't be read by the software... I'm sure a few stops by the traffic police who have anpr and say "we couldn't read your details, here is a form to make you get your plates right" is less of a hassle than big brother taking your liscence off you!

There is another loophole with specs,

Motorbikes, they whiz by you in the traffic safe in the knowledge that because they have no front number plate they are immune. At least with a gatso even they had to slow down.

And they can tear a$$ through Truvelo cameras as well.

One motorcyclist kept flying through said camera at high speed most mornings while giving it the bird until a patrol car sat there and caught him in the act.

They threw the book, the shelf AND the library at him.

Re SPECS...........

What about in the winter when the roads are salted and your front number plate gets covered in cr@p and is REALLY difficult to keep clean? :P

And they can tear a$$ through Truvelo cameras as well.

One motorcyclist kept flying through said camera at high speed most mornings while giving it the bird until a patrol car sat there and caught him in the act.

They threw the book, the shelf AND the library at him.

Re SPECS...........

What about in the winter when the roads are salted and your front number plate gets covered in cr@p and is REALLY difficult to keep clean? :P

You mean accidently spilling a bucket of mud over it and forgetting to remove it?