Non-use of indicators absolutley pi$$es me off. I think it is just bad mannered and arrogant not to use indicators especially when you are waiting at junctions or behind someone who decides it's ok to turn without warning...******* ! On the spot fines and points for them.....oh and maybe 20 lashes

Not bothered...honest

Indicating is a pre-requisite and saves peoples lives and stops confusion. Those that don't do it should be sent back to take their test or taken to one side, have a gun put to their head........oops sorry, just going off on one.

I think people who don't thank you or at least acknowledge you for letting them out should be shot and ground down into a fine paste...then be used to line the next road being built. I don't think this is too radical is it, I know I'm very PC.....sorry

Not signalling is reacing epidemic proportions, and makes me mad. Selfish, arrogant and unthinking behaviour.

Do BMW X5's have indicators supplied as option only?

I tend to signal where necessary - e.g. most times when pulling out to overtake, seldom when pulling back in again, usually on exits from roundabouts (as posted above that can be tricky at mini-roundabouts if going "straight on") but not necessarily always on entering the roundabout. I try and always be a courteous driver and let others know what I'm doing, and sometimes habit does take over and I signal when there's nobody there to see it, but there shouldn't be any need, so usually I don't.

Signalling to leave a mini-roundabout can also be pointless, cos, by the time anyone who'd benefit can see your signal, you're off the roundabout anyway?

The Police seem unable to spot cars at night with headlights & tail lights missing, theres no way they will bother with lights that are only occassionally meant to be used

I think people who don't thank you or at least acknowledge you for letting them out should be shot and ground down into a fine paste...then be used to line the next road being built. I don't think this is too radical is it, I know I'm very PC.....sorry

"Shot and ground to a paste" Now why did i not think of that !!!

Not indicating and FOG LIGHTS do not get me going but it's not only restricted to the young people as today I've had two near misses "I've taken my lump sum retierment and bought a new powerful car" driven by a "flat capper" decided to go round the roundabout on the outside lane only to exit in the outside lane of the last exit f the dual carriageway which incidentally just so happened to have my car in it. He was totally unaware of the severe braking and swerving I had to do avoid. Just becuase he used to drive sherman tanks doen't mean he still does

Not indicating and FOG LIGHTS do not get me going but it's not only restricted to the young people as today I've had two near misses "I've taken my lump sum retierment and bought a new powerful car" driven by a "flat capper" decided to go round the roundabout on the outside lane only to exit in the outside lane of the last exit f the dual carriageway which incidentally just so happened to have my car in it. He was totally unaware of the severe braking and swerving I had to do avoid. Just becuase he used to drive sherman tanks doen't mean he still does

...these flat capped feckers deny all responsibilty when they hit you too, I 'm waiting for a court case 18 months after a similar incident side swiped my Exige. Why can't people admit when its their fault, its not liek they're going to go to prison....?

...200 years with no accidents...learned on half-tracks in the Sino-Russian war...<\end>

Signalling to leave a mini-roundabout can also be pointless, cos, by the time anyone who'd benefit can see your signal, you're off the roundabout anyway?

I'd agree - my RoSPA examiner told me mini roundabouts should be treated as cross roads so you should only signal left or right (straight on requires no signal) as you approach and not signal to leave. I tend to signal where someone would benefit from it, which may mean I don't signal for a single-car overtake (if there's no-one near enough behind me to need telling), don't signal for lane changes on A/M roads, or that I cancel a signal early to prevent it being confusing.

People who signal regardless, imhe, have poorer observational skills. :peepwall:

Chris

It's not just signalling.ALL the usual rules re driving seem to be broken just lately.It's as if people don't care/have no fear of being caught.

Every single day I see people parked on zig zags/double yellows/driving over traffic lights on red:mad:

Good post Steve vRS.No police=no worries

I'd agree - my RoSPA examiner told me mini roundabouts should be treated as cross roads so you should only signal left or right (straight on requires no signal) as you approach and not signal to leave. I tend to signal where someone would benefit from it, which may mean I don't signal for a single-car overtake (if there's no-one near enough behind me to need telling), don't signal for lane changes on A/M roads, or that I cancel a signal early to prevent it being confusing.

People who signal regardless, imhe, have poorer observational skills. :peepwall:

Chris

I'd disagree with you about not signalling for a single car overtake, because the guy you're overtaking might benefit from the signal.

I'd disagree with you about not signalling for a single car overtake, because the guy you're overtaking might benefit from the signal.

So will a car pulling out to join the road from a junction. A flashing orange light will increase your chances of him spotting you and decrease the chances of him pulling out right infront and coming toward you. IMO

So will a car pulling out to join the road from a junction. A flashing orange light will increase your chances of him spotting you and decrease the chances of him pulling out right infront and coming toward you. IMO

Although he may think that you're turning into the road .... which could cause confusion, after all, why would you be overtaking where there's a side road! :eek: My take on the single car overtake is that the car I'm overtaking will check his mirrors and see me sat in the overtaking position. If he doesn't check his mirrors at all then a signal won't be of any benefit to him so either way the signal is uneccessary

Chris

Ok Chris, what is the "overtaking position"? I can't remember exactly where off-hand but I'm sure there's something in the HC about not forming echelons across lanes when waiting to overtake, and know it doesn't support reducing your following distance when planning to overtake.

There are 3 positions Following (normal traffic following distance), contact (closing the gap and moving to the crown of the road), and overtaking (where you move out as if to overtake but maintain your speed so you hang back to assess the situation based on the best view)....

Once in the overtaking position, you have 3 options either yes, no or maybe. If it's a maybe, then you can stay in the overtaking position, if it's a yes you can complete the overtake and if it's a no then you can abort (without changing speed) and simply pull back in behind the overtakee.

Hope that's clear - Roadcraft does a better job of explaining than me

Many of the advanced drivers I've been out with seem to spend a lot of time in the overtaking position as it affords a better view of what's going on and helps with forward planning

Chris

Although he may think that you're turning into the road .... which could cause confusion, after all, why would you be overtaking where there's a side road! :eek: My take on the single car overtake is that the car I'm overtaking will check his mirrors and see me sat in the overtaking position. If he doesn't check his mirrors at all then a signal won't be of any benefit to him so either way the signal is uneccessary

Chris

Ahh, good point - the indicator could make him think your turning off the road.

Ahh, good point - the indicator could make him think your turning off the road.

Maybe this statement was ambiguous

So will a car pulling out to join the road from a junction

I read that as a junction on my right with him wanting to turn left, ie directly into my path if I was to overtake, so me signalling to overtake could be interpreted incorrectly. Chances are I wouldn't be doing an overtake if there was a junction anyway

If the junction was on the left, he's unlikely to see my signal anyway as the car in front of me will be obscuring it so the signal is again, unnecessary

Chris

Cheers Chris, it's reminded me of the passages from Roadcraft. TBH it's not a position you'll find me in often, unless I'm following a vehicle which is tall, and wide wrt the lane, cos I'll normally can make the "go / no go" decision from the Contact position.

being a BMW driver to trade, i'm unsure about what you mean by these mythical "indicators"....

is that some hidden function on the full beam stalk?