I fitted the above to MrsF's Fabia today and the difference is amazing! Her car is remapped, but with the std OEM filter that has done about 8,000 miles.

It pulls a lot harder and keeps going to the red-line, which it certainly didn't do before.

I guess it's too early to tell, but mpg seems to have improved too.

£40 is a lot of dosh for a bit of plastic, but it's got to be one of the best upgrades out there as it clearly gets rid of a major restriction. Maybe it's more noticable on a re-mpped engine, but I'd certainly recommend anyone in the same position getting this as it's so easy to fit.

Jez

Not a bad little bit of kit. I'm trying something totally different to mine soon.

Plastic dustbin with the bottom cut out?

Plastic dustbin with the bottom cut out?

A minature version of that, would not be far wrong. Going for a BMC CDA system - Get the RAM air effect.

A minature version of that, would not be far wrong. Going for a BMC CDA system - Get the RAM air effect.

those BMC carbon boxes are quite kool.

we sell them at work, they look mint but have a nice price too!

but have a nice price too!

Couple of hundred right? :eek:

all great if diesels actually needed more air to get more power.....

I know someone selling a bmc carbon for much cheapness

oh do tell how much and who is it;)

I agree, Its not worth the outlay, and it make the engine sound terrible, resonance & Vibration

and it make the engine sound terrible, resonance & Vibration

Can you elaborate on this please? I assume you've tried it? I wouldn't mind getting some info about it before I commit to getting one. I've seen the one in Mikeyboy's Audi, and it looks sweet and I should think gets more air in than the standard setup?

(Unless the air coming in is dictated by the turbo, not the air intake?)

I just found that it gave the engine more of an aggricultural note rather than a sporty note if you like, and a rather hollow annoying buzz under acceleration, I would never call it an 'induction roar' in the way you would get a petrol sounding.

As for performance, I would say very little edge over the 160 pipe, not that the 160 pipe is that notable IMHO anyway but there was a bit better throttle response, it was never RR'd between changes so couldnt give exact figures but I wouldnt expect much

The PD160 air intake DOES make a difference for sure, it was very noticable that it would rev more freely. I wouldn't go as far as to say it hit the red easy though, it still tailed off at a bit over 4k rpm, but before it was probably 3.5k.

(bit of margin on both numbers as it's a long time ago)

Although true that a turbo would allow air to get suckered in as well, a turbo has to work to do it, and thus heats up the air. The FMIC then cools it again, but getting a bit more air into the system in the first place has its benefits.

The PD160 intake makes a lot of sense for the money.

Regarding a 'proper' CAI or similar, I'm less convinced personally. That said, when you are pushing the limits by having a custom camshaft, propane, massive turbo etc, you are getting into 'every little helps' territory.

Noise wise it won't be the same as on a petrol, and yeah it probably makes it sound more agricultural But then it's a fast tractor at that

The setup in Mike's car looks very slick indeed, he's got all the toys

Certainly well worth the money one Mrs F's Fabia.

I guess you are never going to get a particularly exciting note from a 4 cylinder diesel engine. However, you can forgive that if you get 50mpg!!!

all great if diesels actually needed more air to get more power.....

Oh, do they not? I assumed* that the reason they smoked was incomplete combustion caused by a lack of air? So what causes it?

(*I don't have a diesel or really care that much )

The PD160 air intake DOES make a difference

Untill I see a RR plot that proves this I am always going to be cynical, Personally, I felt very little if any, that was both the 160 intake and the CDA. Its amazing what the placebo effect can do.

I do however understand the benefits of the modification, but whether these benefits can be conveted to G force or response, at such a level you can feel it I have my doubts

Oh, do they not? I assumed* that the reason they smoked was incomplete combustion caused by a lack of air? So what causes it?

(*I don't have a diesel or really care that much )

That's correct. Also, to some degree, the more airflow you get, then the more fuel the ECU will allow, equals more power. Why else do people fit free-flow filters?

If a PD 160 intake doesnt make any difference why did SEAT feel the need to open the intake up for the PD160 engine?

If a manufacturer does it its usually for a good reason.

And more air into a diesel will equate to more power if the standard intake isnt sufficent.

No need for a RR - there IS a difference in the way the power is delivered. Less spike at the low end, more keen to rev at the higher end.

Please note I am NOT claiming more bhp/torque is achieved, it is the way in which the power/torque is delivered.

To get significant increases in both power & torque you need a tuning box or remap.

I would say the difference is quite noticable, but it won't turn it into a high-revving beast - i.e. be realistic about the effect, it is not THAT great in it's own right.

Regarding remaps though, it DOES make a difference for those as the restrictive air intake will be a fair bit more smokey.

You cannot show the amount of smoke on a RR printout, I don't know if there are any RR printouts to show the difference either in all fairness though.

No need for a RR - there IS a difference in the way the power is delivered. Less spike at the low end, more keen to rev at the higher end.

Like i said, until I see PROOF then i will be cynical, An RR doesnt just show the BHP and torque but also the delivery, and you saying there IS a difference in capitals wont make me differ my opinion.

And as we seem to be talking about standard cars, SEAT fit the wider part to there 160 because its not a 130, if the fabia was a 160 I'm sureits trumpet would be similar

And as we seem to be talking about standard cars, SEAT fit the wider part to there 160 because its not a 130, if the fabia was a 160 I'm sureits trumpet would be similar

I was refering to a remapped Fabia, however I didnt state that.

Like i said, until I see PROOF then i will be cynical, An RR doesnt just show the BHP and torque but also the delivery, and you saying there IS a difference in capitals wont make me differ my opinion.

And as we seem to be talking about standard cars, SEAT fit the wider part to there 160 because its not a 130, if the fabia was a 160 I'm sureits trumpet would be similar

I think logically it will make a difference. Probably very little though- it might not even show on a RR- but put it this way: for 35 quid, I'll try it. Anything that makes airflow better is bound to help. Your cynicism is valid, given the ridiculous BHP gains claimed for all kind of tat.

My bad, i thought we were talking standard, I'm sure everyones opinion will differ though, just look at the facts. :P

Untill I see a RR plot that proves this I am always going to be cynical, Personally, I felt very little if any, that was both the 160 intake and the CDA. Its amazing what the placebo effect can do.

I do however understand the benefits of the modification, but whether these benefits can be conveted to G force or response, at such a level you can feel it I have my doubts

It was no placebo affect on the wife's car. It was bloody obvious!!

I would offer to get mine RRed and swap the intakes over, but there are some other bits on my car that would negate the comparison these days.

That said, the PD160 is the same engine, just has some other bits bolted to it pretty much, such as the air intake, the turbo and the map is a little different too. Can't remember if it has the FMIC now

I know what the placebo effect is as well, and I'm sure there are some things you can do to a car that would have that impact.

If someone is willing to do a RR and fit the PD160 intake, then try again, that would be a great comparison. I've still got the original intake somewhere in the loft