Quick question off topic my dear if i may?

Used to watch "southpark or Daria" on You Tube, till those nice Viacom people fourced You Tube to remove them.. Is there some where else they might be found....a site in the former USSR....You Tube-ski type site?

Mike

Quick question off topic my dear if i may?

Used to watch "southpark or Daria" on You Tube, till those nice Viacom people fourced You Tube to remove them.. Is there some where else they might be found....a site in the former USSR....You Tube-ski type site?

Mike

You can try this site for South Park, but a lot of the more contentious ones are blocked, at least on my computer. Naughty

why is 7 gears better?

20 gears is better, just in a mannel box the max is 6 after that your out of stick room.

Yes Porsche say they use the VAG 7 speed DSG very soon........can't wait!

Mike

I'm test driving the 2.0FSI Passat DSG at the moment.

I had high expectations of the gearbox, but I'm actually quite disappointed. It's not that there is anything inherently wrong with it, but it's not for me.

The changes are very smooth, and it doesn't sap the power like a normal auto would. I just can't escape the feeling of not being in control.

Bagpuss.

These guys seem to like it:-

YouTube - DSG vs 6spd manual

Mike

Interesting video, but I can't see how it's really relevant to normal driving with a DSG gearbox.

Sure, the thing helps to get a better 0-60 time, but just how often are you doing that on your daily commute?

I think the gearbox is great from a technology standpoint, but I just didn't feel in control of the car when I was hustling along some local backroads. If you stick it into 'S' mode, it still tries to do things for you, and I just didn't like that aspect of it.

Combined with the fact that the Octavia doesn't get the flappy paddles, I just couldn't consider it.

Interestingly, I had the conversation about DSG in the vRS with Warren Richards (Skoda UK marketing manager) recently, and he told me that they would love to offer it, but aren't being allowed to. It's a brand differentiation thing, and VAG want to keep flappy paddle DSG for the Golf GTi drivers. Sad, but true.

Bagpuss.

Up to them!

Ford will have it across the range in 08!

Mike

The next Golf DSG is slated to have a 7 speed DSG:thumbup:

Thought the DSG was a double-ended gearbox with 2x3 gears. So why can't the next DSG be 8 gears (2x4)? If not, VAG are missing a trick...

Thought the DSG was a double-ended gearbox with 2x3 gears. So why can't the next DSG be 8 gears (2x4)? If not, VAG are missing a trick...

You should write to them and ask:D

A

thanks for the South Park link...very good....got any for "daria"

Cheers

Mike

A

thanks for the South Park link...very good....got any for "daria"

Cheers

Mike

Afraid not, was given South Park by a friend, I can

Never mind am sure i find one

So, your a Vampire P/Time?

Mike

So does SEAT offer DSG?

Why would anyone want paddles on any car with more than 240 degress lock-to-lock (i.e. where your hands would rarely shift position on the wheel)?

Sequential stick shift, yes, but paddles?

I've briefly driven paddles on a road car and found it odd. The friend who's car it was said he's reverted to stick use after the novelty of the paddles had passed.

DSG, fine, (I'm an H-box fan myself - even got one on my PC), but paddles - can't help but think gimmick.

I have played on my brothers Playtendo thingy and he has a big seat with fixed pedals and everything. He has fixed paddles that don

So does SEAT offer DSG?

Yes, athough I thinks its on a fairly limited range. I breifly thought about the Altea beforeIbought my last Octy and they only offered DSG with the PD 140

VAG may get caught, seems the Japs are going CVT and unlike the old types they seem to devolped a very fast one that don't sap power........one to watch.

Mike

You should write to them and ask:D

Life is too short, Amanda....

The next Golf DSG is slated to have a 7 speed DSG:thumbup:

Yup; the VAG group already has a 7-speed DSG 'box in their parts bin and able to handle more power/torque than us mere motral are likely ever to experience. :(

Its fitted into the Bugatti Veyron

Yes, but WHEN??????

Mike

To Answer my own question:-

VW already uses fuel-saving technology

Ford Motor Co. is the second major automaker to commit to dual-clutch transmissions.

By joining the Volkswagen group, Ford gives the technology momentum in Europe.

Dual-clutch transmissions are essentially manual transmissions that offer the driver the option of driving in an automatic mode.

CSM Worldwide analyst Chris Guile in London predicts that Ford and transmission partner Getrag of Germany will make 200,000 dual-clutch transmissions a year at a Getrag-Ford factory in Kechnec, Slovakia.

Getrag showed both a Getrag-Ford dual-clutch system and a separate Getrag dual-clutch unit at the Frankfurt auto show last week.

Construction on the partners' joint-venture plant began in July. Production of dual-clutch transmissions for cars will begin in mid-2007, says Getrag spokesman Axel Guggenberger.

Ford and Getrag officials declined to say what models might get the transmissions. CSM's Guile expects them to be on the Ford Mondeo and Galaxy minivan and on most Volvos, from the C30 to V70 or even the XC90.

Poised for growth

In the long term, CSM forecasts big growth for dual-clutch technology in Europe - to 6.5 percent of the forecast 23 million cars and light-commercial vehicles produced by 2011. That compares with 0.8 percent of the 19.9 million units built in Europe last year.

German transmission supplier ZF Friedrichshafen AG makes a similar forecast.

ZF unveiled a dual-clutch prototype at the Frankfurt show. The ZF transmission, called 7 DCT 50, has seven speeds and is geared for high-performance cars.

The company claims the transmission can handle as much as 369 pounds-feet of torque and up to 9,000 rpm. ZF did not say what production vehicle will feature its new transmission.

The upcoming Bugatti Veyron supercar, designed by VW, will have a dual-clutch transmission designed by British engineering company Ricardo PLC.

"We will initially see them on mid- to large-range vehicles," says CSM's Guile. "Dual-clutch is a very promising variant of the automated manual transmission. Most manufacturers are looking at it, apart from people like PSA/Peugeot-Citroen and Renault, who are sticking with AMT because of cost."

Until now, Volkswagen has been the driving force behind the growth of dual-clutch transmissions. VW group Chairman Bernd Pischetsrieder enthusiastically endorsed the technology at the group's annual meeting in April. He said 11 percent of Golfs in western Europe come equipped with a dual-clutch transmission.

Says Guile: "If VW's experience is anything to go by, dual clutches could take off quite spectacularly."

BorgWarner Inc., of Auburn Hills, Mich., makes many of the key parts in the VW dual-clutch, which the automaker markets as the direct-shift gearbox, or DSG.

Diesel-friendly

Dual-clutch transmissions work particularly well when mated to diesel engines. Because diesels have a narrow rpm band, there are frequent interruptions in the torque flow. A dual-clutch transmission can be shifted without any break in torque flow.

The dual-clutch transmission works like two automatic transmissions side by side. In a six-speed version, one clutch would operate first, third and fifth gear, while the other would operate second, fourth and sixth. Because the transmission uses two clutches with rapid switches from one to the other, there is no lurch between gears.

The technology promises to combine the smooth operation of automatic transmissions with fuel economy equal to or better than manual transmissions. Like continuously variable transmissions and automated manual transmissions, dual clutches offer better fuel economy than automatic transmissions, which lose power and fuel economy in the torque converter.

Paolo Mantelli, sales and marketing director for Graziano Trasmissioni, an Italian supplier that makes a dual-clutch system, says: "In auto mode, the brain of the system is driving the car, and the shifts are occurring when the torque is just right. So you are shifting gears at exactly the right point in the acceleration process."

In Other words VERY soon and not just VAG products!!!!

Mike

Don't argue with Lady Elanor... she knows her stuff!

Don't argue with Lady Elanor... she knows her stuff!