Hey, as a resident of near Guildford its not suprising to see tw*t head drivers day in day out. Personally I think I drive fairly well and reasonable when I do attempt to, when I am not trying I do tend to annoy some people but not by doing illegal or dangerous things like cutting in quickly without singalling, undercut someone knowing that they're going at the right speed etc etc.

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There was a lovely Ford driver yday who undercut me out of nowhere in a 30mph zone (i was already going at the "correct" speed) so for him to undercut me was some suprigingly silly move. Then seeing how I didnt like that I thought I'd overtake him the proper way, 2 lane roundabout, 2 lane exit then merges into one after 100yrds, naturally I was in the quicker lane to come out and he just started his road rage antics cause I overtook him again.... Fist waving shouting, horns etc, even threw stuff at my car! :thumbdwn: That got me annoyed....... but i thought meh, I'll just ignore it cause thats the best thing to do. Then 5 mins after the lovely constant raging he got a chance to get beside me and he was shouting cr*p like "im gonna follow you! RAA" and i was thinking "....im not that kinda guy, but my friend is :P (a very good friend at that)", then he was going on about i got kids in the back! raa raa raa.. and Im like wtf? your doing your mid life crisis road rage thing and you got kids at the back to listen to you aswell? what kind of parent are you man??:thumbdwn: :thumbdwn: you do road rage fair enough but your teaching your next gen to be just like you! :thumbdwn: :(

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Anyway, was wondering what would you do to deal with roadrage in people? I thought for me personally I wasnt over the top (overtaking within speed limits an undercutter), but some people might think i shouldnt've played with fire in the first place : But meh, experience gained 10 points..!

Share yours if ya like, i dont mind

P.S. Is this in the right section, I wasnt 100% sure if its car related or off topic.............(Sorry!)

Personally... I would of lowered the window down, on the passenger side...

Then, over-took him on the correct lane, whilst holding the wheel with my right foot... lean across.... and smack him in the mouth, then straighten back up....

Personally... I would of lowered the window down, on the passenger side...

Then, over-took him on the correct lane, whilst holding the wheel with my right foot... lean across.... and smack him in the mouth, then straighten back up....

:rofl: :rofl:

At the risk of sounding dull, any repsonse or reaction from you will either escalate the situation or render you liable for some sort of complaint being made against you.

The best thing I think you should do is tuck in behind him, make a note of his index and a description of him, and depending on how aggrieved you feel, give the fuzz a ring. Or sit on it, and if you see him again and he does it again, report him - benefit of the doubt and all that.

Undertaking is a contentious issue - it is inconsiderate driving, especially if the car thats being undertaken is doing the limit (or more). If the car being undertaken is doing significantly below the limit, then they are being inconsiderate. Similarly, if you are being undertaken and you speed up to prove apoint, you are driving without due care and attention. Its a minefiled, I deal with these incidents all the time, everyone always thinks they are right. The way you have described the incident, I would suggest you have acted legally and safely, and havent lowered yourself to his standard.

He will come a cropper one day, hopefully his kids wont be in the back at the time.

Undertaking is a contentious issue - it is inconsiderate driving, especially if the car thats being undertaken is doing the limit (or more). If the car being undertaken is doing significantly below the limit, then they are being inconsiderate. Similarly, if you are being undertaken and you speed up to prove apoint, you are driving without due care and attention. Its a minefiled, I deal with these incidents all the time, everyone always thinks they are right. The way you have described the incident, I would suggest you have acted legally and safely, and havent lowered yourself to his standard.

At the risk of starting a flame war (or worse!) My view on undertaking is if there is enough room for a car to undertake then the car being undertaken should have been in the left lane so cars can overtake on the right. Irrespective of speedlimits, its not up to one driver to hold up traffic in an outside lane just because they are doing the speedlimit.

I do agree with you in that you stick to the left when theres no cars but the left lane is normally for left turning and straight after the left turning theres parked cars all the time (in which in guildford they always cut you up without singalling anyway ).

Also, define "enough room"? does that intale cutting someone up? technically you'd always have enough room cause if you are a bit close the other person will have to brake... . On saying that most people will brake regardless if you or he thinks if its enough room cause its simply not very nice thing to get very close to a car.

Snoopie: :rofl: "advanced urban driving techniques"

At the risk of starting a flame war (or worse!) My view on undertaking is if there is enough room for a car to undertake then the car being undertaken should have been in the left lane so cars can overtake on the right. Irrespective of speedlimits, its not up to one driver to hold up traffic in an outside lane just because they are doing the speedlimit.

Yes, but my interpretation of this particular incident is that the undertaker pulled into the OP's safety gap which is entirely different.

Yes, but my interpretation of this particular incident is that the undertaker pulled into the OP's safety gap which is entirely different.

If that is what happened then I agree, that is an entirely different issue (nearly involved in an 8 car pile up on the motorway many years ago when a Volvo (of all things!) did that on me).

Not quite sure how to quote, so I will have to scroll down and back up and type.

Your first point I agree with, lanes two or 3 are for passing slower moving traffic. A car travelling slower than the majority of the traffic should not be in lane 2 or 3 unless it is passing something moving slower than it is. As for being in the outside/lane 2 which ever people deem is the fast lane, and you are doing the speed limit, IMO you are not holding up traffic, as you are travelling at the legal limit for that road. If a car passes on the inside, not only does he contravene the speed limit, but also risks committing the ofence of driving without due care.

If i was following someone in lane 2 at 70mph in a 70mph limit, and lane 1 was clear, i would pull them and give themsome free legal advice. If someone undertook them on the inside, exceeding the liimt, they wouild be the ones that get pulled.

Thought needs to be given to the driver being undertaken. If they are lane hogging, how competent a driver are they? Will they react suddenly to seeing you to their left? Will they freak out and break hard? Will they overtake you at the next roundabout!!

It goes back to what I was saying previously, everyone is right in their own mind. I like to make progress on a journey and dont hang around, but the laws are there, whether rightly or wrongly. You break them, and you take the risk of getting caught.

Just a thought.

I'm off to work now. I will endevaour to make sure everyone is driving in the correct lane. And try not to get caught speeding myself, on the way to work.

Tom

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Thought needs to be given to the driver being undertaken. If they are lane hogging, how competent a driver are they? Will they react suddenly to seeing you to their left? Will they freak out and break hard? Will they overtake you at the next roundabout!!

Thats where the contention probably comes from, one persons lane hogging is another persons careful driving.

With regards to the laws etc. my point was if someone wants to go speeding past me then its not my job to stop them, its their license etc. The first rule of UK driving is you drive on the left, speed laws etc. are all based on that rule.

The OP does appear to have been cut up by someone overtaking for the sake of it, which is not the same as lane hogging.

compulsory re-tests every 5-10 years, I'm sure the majority of people on here will have no worries with that?

more Police on the roads instead of speed cameras?

a return to days of yore... days of barn dances and buggy rides... before everyone was in such a rush etc etc.

just think of it this way... if you take a basic average of the populations IQ... then half the population are idiots. ho-hum!

compulsory re-tests every 5-10 years, I'm sure the majority of people on here will have no worries with that?

more Police on the roads instead of speed cameras?

a return to days of yore... days of barn dances and buggy rides... before everyone was in such a rush etc etc.

just think of it this way... if you take a basic average of the populations IQ... then half the population are idiots. ho-hum!

I agree with retest's definately...although would this stop this sort of behaviour? doubt it.

I think if the left lane is free and you are not needing to turn right for the next 300 yrds or so then you should stay left.

I have undertaken before, mainly because of people dordling in the right hand lane.

as for the driver of the car that is been undertaken...they should not be suprised by being undertaken if they use their mirrors correctly. They should see that the left lane is free and the car behind is gaining on them and is wanting to carry on at the same speed and should move to the left lane.

It's thier license, normal drivers should not police the roads, the police do this, it only causes agro.

I think there are too many other stupid acts (far more dangerous) being done on the roads today about being overly worried about undertakers.

Another topic would be ......why does that car think they have the right to drive in a bus lane in peak hours? (not dangerous but far more annoying)

Best way is to under-take them.... then swerve infront of them...

*Taken out of ScoobyChris's handbook*

I just want to know how Mike Pembo would deal with this kinda situation.....

what annoys me, is the agro I get from using roundabouts properly - people in the left lane going around the outside on a right-turn, then getting annoyed at me "cutting them up" on exit

I agree with retest's definately...although would this stop this sort of behaviour? doubt it.

I think if the left lane is free and you are not needing to turn right for the next 300 yrds or so then you should stay left.

I have undertaken before, mainly because of people dordling in the right hand lane.

as for the driver of the car that is been undertaken...they should not be suprised by being undertaken if they use their mirrors correctly. They should see that the left lane is free and the car behind is gaining on them and is wanting to carry on at the same speed and should move to the left lane.

It's thier license, normal drivers should not police the roads, the police do this, it only causes agro.

I think there are too many other stupid acts (far more dangerous) being done on the roads today about being overly worried about undertakers.

Another topic would be ......why does that car think they have the right to drive in a bus lane in peak hours? (not dangerous but far more annoying)

Retests would only ensure people do enough to pass the test - jumping through the hoops and all that. Old habits die hard.

Regulation 115/116 of the Highway Code states just that. Unless you are turning right or passing a slower moving vehicle, stay left.

A car that is being undertaken because they are dordling in lane 2 is unlikely to be using their mirrors correctly, they probably arent aware of what is happening around them. If people who were dordling were aware of the speed of traffic approaching from the rear, they wouldnt be the sort of driver hoging lane 2. If a car is travelling at the limit in lane 2, any undertaking at this stage is inconsiderate, irrespective whether lane 1 is clear or not. Of course, the car traveeling at the limit in lane 2 SHOULD move, but the undertake is a more serious breach of regulations.

I probably didnt make myself clear in my previous post, I am The Old Bill (boooooooo..) so consequently deal with these sort of offences on a regular basis. I would never support a member of tthe public attempting to pull over a vehicle unless the standard of driving was very likely to cause a serious accident, and it was safe for you to do so, and you had already called The Fuzz.

As for undertaking not being crime of the century, no its not, but I have seen it cause near misses and unfortunately I am the one that has to pick up bits of people from the road and tell their wives and kids they wont be comin home. Not to get too melodramatic.

As for cars in the bus lane, mobile phones, no insurance, no rear position lights and DRINK DRIVERS....Dont get me started.

Happy days!!

At the risk of starting a flame war (or worse!) My view on undertaking is if there is enough room for a car to undertake then the car being undertaken should have been in the left lane so cars can overtake on the right. Irrespective of speedlimits, its not up to one driver to hold up traffic in an outside lane just because they are doing the speedlimit.

^^^^What he said. If there is room to undertake, the car being undertaken shouldn't be where it is. Undertaking is inconsiderate, but so are the people that don't follow correct lane discipline: especially the self-appointed speed police.

Best way is to under-take them.... then swerve infront of them...

*Taken out of ScoobyChris's handbook*

All i do is laugh and carry on regardless. Or if i happen to be on a 'private road' i just blip on the hidden police car lights for a couple of flashes, (especially if it is dark) and that always seems to sort out the bad driving! :P

Best way is to under-take them.... then swerve infront of them...

*Taken out of ScoobyChris's handbook*

You can also use a bit of left foot braking, to light up the brake lights too - tends to wake them up

Best way to deal with other people on the roads is to treat everyone as a hazard and remember that every action you perform is likely to have a consequence on other people (good or bad). If you want to keep the status quo, try and make sure that you don't do anything which could cause a bad reaction (an apology should diffuse most situations if you make a mistake) or make sure you have a bloody good escape route if things turn nasty!

Chris