IDGAF about carbon emmisions. .... (snipped!)

well done

I applaud you!

I do GAF about CO2 emissions.

It seems very likely that the earth is warming but I'm not convinced CO2 is the cause.

That said , energy is becoming increasingly expensive and with "green taxes" set to rise it's going to cost you a lot more to burn fossil fuels.

I'd much rather have my money in my wallet so that's enough of an incentive for me to insulate my house , drive an economical car , and so on and so forth.

Maybe all the oil that's sucked out of the earth isn't helping matters either. Perhaps it's in there to help regulate the heat of the earth? Also, when all the oil's gone won't there be a rather big hole into which the entire earth will implode? Just one of the many random thoughts I came up with in the pub last night...

Dr.Z, I conducted a poll over on Scoobynet some time ago asking that very question. Why do you conserve energy ? To save the planet, or your own money ? The overwhelming result was to save our own money, which quite bizarrely is what the green taxes want to get out of us. It's the true motivation behind 21st century taxation policy, but let's face it, whatever the excuse they dream up, they'll extort it out of us one way or another. By getting the weak minded to believe their diatribe it perpetuates the hysteria until everyone gets on board.

Nick, I stumbled on a geological survey a few years ago where some scientists wanted to know what happened to old oil wells many years after they were decommissioned. The ones they revisited in Kentucky were full ! The outcome of the study was that oil is a natural by-product of the earths core processes, and that the mineral/plant content which led us to believe it was totally made from decaying plant matter came from the voids created which allowed the oil to seep in from lower down. The study was ridiculed and I haven't heard from it for a long time, but conspiracy theorists would argue that governments and oil companies would have a lot to lose if it were true.

Back to the original posters question, I switch mine off when i'm stuck in traffic, especially if i'm waiting to get on the Forth Road Bridge at the weekend!

Nick, I stumbled on a geological survey a few years ago where some scientists wanted to know what happened to old oil wells many years after they were decommissioned. The ones they revisited in Kentucky were full ! The outcome of the study was that oil is a natural by-product of the earths core processes, and that the mineral/plant content which led us to believe it was totally made from decaying plant matter came from the voids created which allowed the oil to seep in from lower down. The study was ridiculed and I haven't heard from it for a long time, but conspiracy theorists would argue that governments and oil companies would have a lot to lose if it were true.

That's actually really interesting. I wonder if any further research into this area will be actioned at some point? I doubt very much if anything along these lines would be funded by governments though!

Personnaly, i'm enjoying the warmer weather

Keep mine running with air con on :eek:

IDGAF about carbon emmisions. Ice core samples have proven that historically, carbon dioxide levels begin to rise after the planet has been through a period of sustaned warming for around 800 years, and within 300 years of the CO2 starting to rise the global temperature starts to decline.

I agree. I presume you saw the programme "The Great Global Warming Swindle" that appeared on Channel 4 in March? Unfortunately, there were errors in the presentation of some of the data. These were pounced upon to discredit the programme. However, I have never seen a full scientific rebuttal of the overall conclusions. Some of these were:

1) yes, there is global warming

2) the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is about 0.05%

3) water vapour is a more effective greenhouse gas

4) human contribution to CO2 is insignificant

5) by far the major source of CO2 is the world's oceans heating up

6) global warming precedes CO2 emissions, not vice-versa

7) there is good correlation between global warming and solar activity

On this planet, we have obvious problems with pollution from exhaust emissions. It is totally reasonable to address these. The cause and effect process is clear for all to see. We don't know exactly what fossil fuels we have left, so we should be as economical as we can. When we have the carbon lobby soaking up funds and resources based on poor science, we are likely to neglect these important issues.

I presume you saw the programme "The Great Global Warming Swindle"

Certainly did, and it compounded every belief I'd had and confirmed all my doubts about government policy.

For those who missed it....CLICKY

Can't find the link, but here's the text I copied and pasted in an email to a friend.....

By Chris Bennett

Its all another word to get more tax and money out of you. If not why dont the car makers change all cars to L.P.G and bio fuels

may work

Its all another word to get more tax and money out of you. If not why dont the car makers change all cars to L.P.G and bio fuels

I think it is a bit broader than this. At the root of the problem is selfish interest. This gets at anyone. We are all subject to it. But I am particularly disappointed with those in the scientific community who, in order to get funding for research, tailor the results of that research to suit.

Don't the swiss enforce this at lights?

but yes; when stationary for a definite period over a minute or two I'll kill the engine.

also without global warming; we'd still be enjoying wooly mammoths and all be French, sorry German by now, as there would of been no channel and no Great Britian. So in fact we'd all be Spanish or maybe Mongol.

Home working is not really all that it's cracked up to be. For those that haven't tried it, it can sound great - but you soon get bored of working on your own. I have the option of working at home, and do from time to time, however I find it best to do a bit of both.

I've also recently moved much closer to work and now save

unfortunatley driving is my job, and my car is my office/classroom... people are moaning more and more about the cost of driving lessons, but my charge per hour, is not what I earn, at 800-1000 miles a week, my motoring costs are huge, as they keep on increasing the tax over and over, my income goes down and down and down, I can't increase my prices due to the competition, by rights I should be charging

I turn my engine off after about a minute - the Skoda manual recommends 45seconds+

BE WARNED - remember that the servo assistance on your brakes and power steering go off very rapidly!

So if you are queing and let your car roll along down hill be prepared to stamp HARD on the brakes to stop:eek:

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In the 18 months I've been in NZ I've never been in standing traffic for 30 seconds or more

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Don't forget you can conserve fuel (and therefore emissions) by driving 'smoothly'. In other words, don't floor it when there's obviously a queue ahead of you or the traffic lights are likely to change (in fact, don't floor it ever) and anticipate what's likely to happen ahead of you so you don't have to stop unnecessarily. A lot of the extra fuel you use in urban environments is down to constantly getting the car up to speed again (particularly from stop). Keep the tyres properly inflated to reduce drag too.

But then, none of that is particularly 'brisk', nor fun come to that. :-)

That said, it can be quite challenging and satisfying to keep your MPG up in town. Try checking your average MPG in an urban environment over, say, a week then play at trying to ensure each journey is a couple of MPG above that. Then try to increase it a bit again.

Still not as fun as flooring it though... :-(

Absolutely brilliant man... someone with intelligence for once, and not panic knee jerk reactions... everything you say here is fact, unlike the poeple who have NO PROOF man made CO2 is effecting the earth...(all propoganda to make goverments money and halt the developing world) people cannot look back on our weather records, and CO2 production (what 200 years?!) and comment intelligently, they need to look back hundreds of millions of years, and ice cores can do that effectively... as for taxation? like I said, there's no money in someone saying "cars don't effect global warming"...

great stuff corradoboy

The biggest issue here is that for any christian the world is only 4000years old so carbon dating is a nonsense and the dinos are dragons which "god" placed in the world to challenge our "faith" ....

Note Im not stating if I am religious or not just fact about the christian & other main religions

In other words, don't floor it when there's obviously a queue ahead of you

Same applies to the brakes. Preserve speed once you have it - and if it is safe and legal to do so. You already paid for the fuel - so why throw away what you got from it?