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What shall I do - replace the 130 pd, or go 1.8t?

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Gas into the mill? into the zorst? lol - I don't know what the first is, and the 2nd sounds pointless. The giggle gas needs to go in the inlet manifold to boost the oxygen content of the charged air, and alongside you also need lots more fuel to let the extra O2 have something to burn.

One reason why I think the NOS isn't working so well on my car at the moment is my Allard's map is so clean, there is no extra fuel - which means the engine is probably running too clean in a way. I've emailed Allards to ask about giving me a little more fuel on WOT to give the nitrous something to burn. At the moment, power is a little lacking in places and I suspect on the 21st I'll be lucky to see 250, and am expecting more like 240, with perhaps similar torque to what I had before.

Work in progress still. :thumbup:

Em you do know what the first is, even if you're not familiar with the individual synonym of engine I'd used.

The second is more of an anti-lag system than a power boost, but the NOS bottle lasts ages cos you don't use much or often.

Up until the self destruct, it was the single most fun car i've ver owned. There are better cars, better handling cars, and better a-b quickly cars, as well as many more comfortable cars, but for all around grin factor, with cheap insurance and good mpg, the Fabia ticks all my boxes.

From that I'd suggest not doing the 1.8t. I love the fun of the Fabia due to the characteristics of the diesel engine in it. If it were a petrol car it'd simply handle different, and I'm not sure it's still be the same kind of fun. Even if it'd be quicker.

You'd also lose the 'good mpg' and 'cheap insurance' if you took it to 'engine transplant at 600bhp' route. That's telling your insurance it's now 460% up on power :thumbup:

So what's the use of calling it a Fabia vRS? As you said there's better cars out there, and with a tuned 1.8t in it, the Fabia will be a different car. Albeit a more expensive and less reliable one with specialist insurance.

In my mind the only justification for the 1.8 is that you want to do it for the hell of it. Which is good enough, but saying you like the Diesel Furby and then changing almost everything about it but the shell isn't keeping the Furby you love, but almost kit-car-ing something new. (unless you had, and loved, the 1.4 and wanted to 'upgrade' ;) )

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From that I'd suggest not doing the 1.8t. I love the fun of the Fabia due to the characteristics of the diesel engine in it. If it were a petrol car it'd simply handle different, and I'm not sure it's still be the same kind of fun. Even if it'd be quicker.

You'd also lose the 'good mpg' and 'cheap insurance' if you took it to 'engine transplant at 600bhp' route. That's telling your insurance it's now 460% up on power :thumbup:

So what's the use of calling it a Fabia vRS? As you said there's better cars out there, and with a tuned 1.8t in it, the Fabia will be a different car. Albeit a more expensive and less reliable one with specialist insurance.

In my mind the only justification for the 1.8 is that you want to do it for the hell of it. Which is good enough, but saying you like the Diesel Furby and then changing almost everything about it but the shell isn't keeping the Furby you love, but almost kit-car-ing something new. (unless you had, and loved, the 1.4 and wanted to 'upgrade' ;) )

What you have said is spot on really.. The idea is - just for the hell of it, and I'm interested in all the opinions being given. I've spoken to Ross about this before, and although it is of course possible to pop a 1.8t in, the technicalities of it are quite tiresome and time consuming.

The twin derv idea offered by Tom, and furthered by Basil...is interesting. The car wouldnt be nose haevy any more, it would just be really heavy altogether, but very torquey. Bit pricey too I imagine.

I think my best option is the 130PD, stage 2 garret turbo, clutch, map.....and not drive it so hard.

I have a feeling it was the turbo that let go again, due to the amount of iol in my intercooler, so any suggestions of a good strong unit I can use would be welcomed.

Yes Dave - go for the most reliable 200+ bhp you can get. You need it to be a hooligan, but you dont want to have to drop a new lump in every 30k! :rofl:

The thing with the 1.8T is that you may as well start with something that has that engine. And twin engine - thats only tongue in cheek fella.

Stick to the PD130 mate, you know it makes sense.

Here is my vote, might open a tin of worms or I will most likely get shot down

1.4 TFSI 170bhp

Most likely lighter than the 1.8 block and smaller. Bigger turbo and stuff could be fitted to get it to around 250bhp I recon.

Shaun

I think a 1.8t would be fun as its the alternative that skoda never produced. I'd go to the max of cheaply achievable power (approx 300bhp) and eat up most things on the road with the car feeling as stock as possible...... other than it not being a diesel anymore.

a rear ended Ibiza Cupra 1.8t would be the ideal car to swop bits off, wouldn't it ? wiring looms should fit in reasonable the same places etc , driveshafts , mountings , pipework , radiators should all swap straight over , get it up and running , then tune it from there

but i think you've nearly made your mind up Dave , to get another PD130 and tune that , then there is hardly any messing about

Thinking about the ECUery involved. It depends what you want from the car.

If you're stripping it out for fun and frolics on track then yeah, go 1.8T.

If you want leccy windows, locking, A/C, imobiliser and all of the rest to work. Erm... An awful lot of wiring and coding to worry about.

I'm not too up to speed on VAG electronics though. Is the engine ECU separate from the the rest of the system or is it the brains?

J.

petrol dave, you know it makes sense. the only way the car will handle different ly is that it won't be so nose heavy and have better turn in :thumbup:

and a 1.8T can return half decent mpg Bas :) my car weighing around 1450Kg running 4WD and going at an average of about 90mph with lots of bursts of acceleration as work had just been done the car returned low 30's so driven in a sensible manner in a smaller lighter car with lower transmission loses is capable of 40+mpg i'd say.

the characteristics of the diesel engine is good mid range torque which the 1.8T can give, the same mods on a 1.8T and Dave has done to his PD130 should be seeing you at 300bhp and around 350lbft without too much trouble and taht torque is over a much wider rev range and also much higher revs hence the 300bhp instead of 200bhp.

1.8T is the future dave :D

If you do go derv again, remove the EGR completely and vent the CCV to atmosphere under the car somewhere. CCV rerouting is my next mod, just need a length of pipe the right size. :D

vent the CCV to atmosphere under the car somewhere. CCV rerouting is my next mod, just need a length of pipe the right size. :D

Won't that deposit oily gunk on the road? Not clever at all imo. :thumbdwn:

Vent it to a catch tank, yes, to the road - NO.

It's such a tiny amount it will have no effect in reality. I have nowhere a catch can can really go - have looked into it, but the amounts are so minimal that it's not worth investing in a can to keep it. Would rather it wasn't going through the turbo though.

Have you seen my thread about my intercooler pipework? The engine undertray is covered with about 2cm thick greasy gunk - and that is just what has leaked without positively venting! I know thats got to be 100k of gunk, but its unacceptable to deposit that on the highway imho. If everybody did it the roads would be unusable!

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Sorry, back on topic fella!

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If you do go derv again, remove the EGR completely and vent the CCV to atmosphere under the car somewhere. CCV rerouting is my next mod, just need a length of pipe the right size. :D

Well, in a little box in my garage, i do have an egr by pass pipe, and blanking plate. Is it called a power pipe? I'll have to speak to you on msn and see what you mean by CCV rerouting though.

Between us then Jason, we can have the highways all slick and new looking ;)

they hydrolocked their engine.

wtf is hydrolocking?!?!

Dave, you hated your petrol turbo! So maybe 1.8T isn't the best idea, much as I'd like to see a petrol turbo fabia! I think some people have hit the point with the diesel, thats what it is and thats what you like about it, the torque makes it feel like it pulls harder than petrol. It would become smooth like the octy was if you put a 1.8T in it.

hydrolocking is where the engine sucks in water instead of air, and because the engine can't compress water like it can air, it normally wrecks the block.

Between us then Jason, we can have the highways all slick and new looking ;)

:rofl: It really is the tiniest amount though. I would love a can but I literally have nowhere to put it.... Someone on TDIclub said he got 5 teaspoons full in 8 weeks, and they do a lot of mileage over there.

hydrolocking is where the engine sucks in water instead of air, and because the engine can't compress water like it can air, it normally wrecks the block.

Also frequently (if arguably incorrectly cos hydraulic isn't normally a verb) known as "hydraulicing the engine".

Dave, just drop in a 1200 and crooze. Then buy an Atom! :)

Cut a hole in the floor pan and go down the prom 'Flinstones' style ?????

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