Those b*st*rds at Microsoft have done it again !

I 'm probably repeating what's already well known, but here goes.

I've just upgraded my Asus AV8 deluxe motherboard, in stages, to include an AMD 64 twin core processor, a 500 GB Segate SATA drive and finally Vista 64.

Needless to say, all devices functioned perfectly following the hardware upgrades - I was running XP 32.

However, when the switch was made to Vista the following has occurred:-

1. Sidewinder Force Feedback Pro, which worked as happy as Larry under XP, is now apparently not supported under Vista.

2. Gameport not supported - Mines on the motherboard.

3. Logitech Vista driver for Quickcam 5000, wont connect with camera, although Vista detects it - again, Quickcam 5000 driver was running this much older Quick Cam pro camera on on my XP 32 system until I switched.

4. No *ff*ng driver for recently purchased (07):-

a). Avery label printer- either from Microsoft or Avery!

. Vivitar DVR 530 camera

c). Olympus digital Voice recorder

5. On board Fax driver not operating correctly - Connextant

The joys, the joys !

As anybody got any suggestions/workarounds, especially for the joystick, as i'm getting withdrawl symptoms already.

Nick,

14/07/07

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im running vista... only grief i have is with an old canon printer....

as said abouve many xp driver can and do work.

Its a shame really that Vista is, at present, so poorly supported on the driver front.

The main interface is a dream. and starting the system from switch-on until fully loaded takes under a minute, whereas XP would be still going. All operations are quick and smooth - which I presume is because of the more widespread use of 64 bit code. It s how Windows should have always operated.

So I'm reluctant to go back - although all I have to do is connect the power to the old HD which is still in situ.

Nick

14/07/07

how about just quit whinning?

how horrible are microsoft ey? why on earth didn't they pesonally create the millions of drivers needed to run any possible device from day one on vista, how selfish are they!!

as already said XP drivers normally work but not quite as well as a vista driver will/can but gives you a good median until better drivers are available.

No. It just p*ss-poor cynical marketing strategy on the part of a near monopoly supplier.

Are Logitech a small player then ?

Weren't they invited to the party ?

Nick,

14/07/07

whats cynical about it?

they have released a new operating system and not everyone has created drivers for it yet.

Why didn't you search the millions of websites that will tell you what works and what doesn't work under Vista? I've had no trouble here with it.

Have I just opened the closet door ?

I used the Vista Upgrade inspection utility, on the official Microsoft site, several times, whilst running XP and it didn't reveal the extent of problems I am currently experiencing.

Be honest, every time they issue a new OS, exactly the same happens. The average bod does not get a fully functioning system unless he changes hardware or waits until the odd drivers are issued, which usually happens just before the next new OS is released. Is there a pattern here ? - perhaps not cynical, more amateurish !

Who, but a monopoly would repeatedly and serially p*ss-off their existing customers with every new product release ! Whatever happened to "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar ?" - not if you're MS.

How difficult would it be to include a driver interface in the new OS which incorporated a replica of the preceding systems driver interface - it might be slow, but at least things would work.

I've been signed up with one of the proprietry driver search sites for some time now and even they can't help.

Nick,

14/07/07

i've had no issues with Vista

my logitech camera keyboard and mouse work fine....

as for the old printer.. if you have more than one machine... hang it of an xp box and print via the lan... seems to work for mine.

i've had no issues with Vista

yep, worked fine on my laptop, your old laptop, your new laptop, our old desktop PC, our new desktop PC and every PC we've tried it on at work...**** Microsoft! Vista sucks so bad

Have no issues with vista, or drivers here either. That said though I am not running any old hardware, its all less than 12 months old.

TV Tuner, Printer, Nokia Phone, Gigabit lan all working perfectly.

The problem is not vista, the o/s is excellent, the issue is with hardware vendors not producing drivers for whats most likely obsolete hardware. Why should they develop drivers for something that may not have been produced for some time, they will concentrate on their new hardware.

You may get lucky using XP drivers, or maybe visiting the hardware vendors website. Vista may not have out of the box drivers, but there maybe some on their website.

Nick, you might find you're better off trying the 32-bit edition of Vista. You shouldn't lose too much in terms of performance and the XP drivers (most likely 32-bit) are then worth trying!

Nick, the reason you are experiencing the problems is because you are using 64 bit vista rather than 32. As TKW has already said if you switch to 32 bitvista you shouldnt have any problems. Very few manufacturers have drivers for 64 XP let alone 64 bit Vista. You wont lose anything at all in performance unless you have software that is written for 64 bit instrucion sets

HTH

Carl

I upgraded to Vista this week and I've found that games don't tend to work too well. Just been trying COD2 via Xfire on multiplayer, PunkBuster chucks me out everytime, apparently, its a Vista problem, bah, that was my favourite game too.

No. It just p*ss-poor cynical marketing strategy on the part of a near monopoly supplier.

Are Logitech a small player then ?

Weren't they invited to the party ?

Nick,

14/07/07

It's hardly microsoft's fault that logitech have their thumbs up their arses is it?

I am running 8800GTX's in SLi, try that in Vista ..... no no, not the fault of the "evil empire" though ...... they can't "make" Nvidia write drivers.

The DDK's for writing drivers have been available to manufacturers for almost 3 years, and they are free to obtain for partners.

There are 10 million new lines of code in Vista, so that's maybe making the developers lives tougher, personally I don't use Vista, because the Hardware vendors don't have their **** together.....

I have to say that this time round, I seemed to have lost access to a lot more devices and programs than is usually the case in an upgrade process.

In going from '98 to XP, I just lost access to a parallel port scanner, because the third party manufacturer didn't revise the driver - Ok, I was going to upgrade anyway and didn't mind losing that monster.

But this time, even recently purchased programs and hardware are not working. In addition to the kit I listed in the leading post, I also established that Sim programs such as IL2 1946 ('07) won't install. I was expecting that Falcon 4 ('98) might not work, but it installed, loads and runs after a fashion. Whereas MS CFS 2 ('03) won't even install. All worked on XP. Seven year old Epson Stylus photo printer works fine as does the 2 year old Perfection scanner. So, everythings consistently inconsistent.

I suppose it just commercialism and income generation - the lesser third party developers/manufacturers just use Microsoft's upgrade cycle to force their customers to renew their kit - nothing new there, money for nothing (Who sang that ?)

And the third party developers still hold the IPR rights to their redundant equipment, even though much of the code to run them is probably in public domain now. I suspect, that this would provide Microsoft with a financial excuse not include a suitable backward looking interface it their latest OS.

So as usual, the customer is the last person in the equation.

Something a bit strange is going on when third party manufacturers manage to design their kit so that it is durable enough to outlast the availability of the software resources to run it. They must be over-designing the kit and we are paying too much for it. My sidewinder FF joystick (Mk1), purchased 01, is still unmarked, solid as a rock and was fully functional under XP - now, totally unusuable due the abandonment of the game port interface, with only partial functionality restored, I understand, if I use a game port to USB adapter - lack of intent there ?

I think there's an element of technology lag which has caught me out this time, in that a lot of the kit that's sold over here as the latest thing, especially in the case of third party manufacturers, has already be consigned to the bin in the States. The latest software, of course, is designed for the main market - USA.

As for the excessive number of lines of code in Vista, surely the interface writers would only have to address a small section of this ?

I see little point in buying Vista, unless you obtain a substantial benefit from the use of 64 bit code - I understand that this is only available in 64 bit Vista !

Nick,

15/07/07

I have to say that this time round, I seemed to have lost access to a lot more devices and programs than is usually the case in an upgrade process.

In going from '98 to XP, I just lost access to a parallel port scanner, because the third party manufacturer didn't revise the driver - Ok, I was going to upgrade anyway and didn't mind losing that monster.

But this time, even recently purchased programs and hardware are not working. In addition to the kit I listed in the leading post, I also established that Sim programs such as IL2 1946 ('07) won't install. I was expecting that Falcon 4 ('98) might not work, but it installed, loads and runs after a fashion. Whereas MS CFS 2 ('03) won't even install. All worked on XP. Seven year old Epson Stylus photo printer works fine as does the 2 year old Perfection scanner. So, on the surface, everythings consistently inconsistent.

I suppose it just commercialism and income generation - the lesser third party developers/manufacturers just use Microsoft's upgrade cycle to force their customers to renew their kit - nothing new there, money for nothing (Who sang that ?)

And the third party developers still hold the IPR rights to their redundant equipment, even though much of the code to run them is probably in public domain now. I suspect, that this would provide Microsoft with a financial excuse not include a suitable backward looking interface it their latest OS.

So as usual, the customer is the last person in the equation.

Something a bit strange is going on when third party manufacturers manage to design their kit so that it is durable enough to outlast the availability of the software resources to run it. They must be over-designing the kit and we are paying too much for it. My MS sidewinder FF joystick (Mk1), purchased 01, is still unmarked, solid as a rock and was fully functional under XP - now, totally unusuable due the abandonment of the game port interface, with only partial functionality restored, I understand, if I use a game port to USB adapter - lack of intent there ?

I think there's an element of technology lag which has caught me out this time, in that a lot of the kit that's sold in the UK as the latest thing, especially in the case of third party manufacturers, has already be consigned to the bin in the States. The latest software, of course, is designed for the main market - USA.

As for the excessive number of lines of code in Vista, surely the interface writers would only have to address a small section of this ? I'm told that in the transition from '95 to '98, Microsoft left thousands of lines of redundant ' 95 code in the '98 issue disc, and I don't think this stopped developers getting to grips with that.

I see little point in buying Vista, unless you obtain a substantial benefit from the use of 64 bit code - I understand that this is only available in 64 bit Vista !

Nick,

15/07/07

That's the second time, I've posted dups - another little problem ?

Nick,

15/07/07

That's the second time, I've posted dups - another little problem ?

Nick,

15/07/07

not unless vista has some sort of whinger detection that makes all whinging informationless posts appear twice to double the speed at which non whingers become fed up of the whingers.....

if you dont like vista uninstall it.

Wasn't meant to be whingeing, just observation. You put that interpretation on it. I was hoping, that some of the informed members on this site might be able to advise on workarounds etc - other than go back to XP.

Are we now, in post Thatcherite Heaven, supposed to accept what we're given and lie back and think of leader and country - not USA of course.

Strange, I thought it was all about choice !

This one written on XP 32

Nick,

15/07/07

Apologies for the lack of informational content, next time I include a fullset of the 3 - month foward prices for Zinc.

In the meantime, please accept this as a token my intent to restore the informational balance in future posts:-

YouTube - Alexei sayle - Boil your cat sir?

Nick,

15/07/07

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Just got a new Vista machine.

Asside from everything being in a different illogical place, it's OK but I don't see anything that can't be done on XP.

A better spec machine also runs slower than my half the spec XP Pro HP laptop in serious need of defragging!