But tbh if people weren't so hung up on headline bhp figures it wouldn't work

Chris

200's hardly a headline figure is it, you can get a mondeo with more than that :P

Yeah but a mondeo is totally different to a fabia. Weight is a crucial matter.

Here we go again... :sofahide:

Here we go again... :sofahide:

Fun isnt it

Now do I buy the 500 hp 350z Ive been offered

200's hardly a headline figure is it, you can get a mondeo with more than that :P

No, but a headline figure of 70bhp increase with just a remap is quite rare :P And what are these mystical non-Skoda chariots of which you speak

Chris

And what are these mystical non-Skoda chariots of which you speak

Chris

Here's a Ford crossing a ford:

HTH :P

Thanks for clearing that up

Is that one remapped to 200bhp as well? :confused:

Chris

Yeah but a mondeo is totally different to a fabia. Weight is a crucial matter.

I wasnt being serious mate, it was a touch of light hearted banter with Chris

Thanks for clearing that up

Is that one remapped to 200bhp as well? :confused:

Chris

Bah! You changing your post makes mine look even more random than usual!

As for the remap, aren't all cars in the history of the world ever running at least 50bhp above standard? You'd think so judging by some of the posts on here!

I'd heard that only 180 Horsey Power was possible from a remap :confused:

Added to that, the turbo in the Furbu is rated to something like 150 HP, so if you're too heavy on the throttle you'll make it go pop :eek:

OBEM Syndrome - Classic Case!

Before i got my hybrid turbo and FMIC i experimented with a lot of remapps. Just a normal remapp from Revo gave me 170bhp. However with tweaks i achieved 179bhp after turbo boost was altered to approx 1.6bar which to be honest is dangerous for the standard turbo.

which to be honest is dangerous for the standard turbo.

A key part of that statement, I feel. 200bhp on stock gear is like trying to power a 1000w powertool using a 500w generator. Not going to go for long.

the turbo in the Furbu is rated to something like 150 HP

I doubt that is true

I doubt that is true

**Sigh**

Every component in your car has a level of tolerance... the safe tolerance for the Furby's turbo, apparently, is 155 to 160 HP I've been told by a number of people.

If 180HP was tried to push through a 160HP rated turbo in one go... it'd either be seriously damaged or would pop!

In fact we've had quite a few go in the time I've been on Briskoda, mostly on the post 2005 models.

It's the same with drive shafts and gearboxes... everything has it's limit don't you agree?

If 180HP was tried to push through a 160HP rated turbo in one go...

Can you push 180bhp through in any other way? :confused:

Chris

I have had experience of Celtic tuning........

His service is great while he takes your cash - after that - forget it

As for 200bhp? No way!

As for your turbo lasting?

NO WAY!

Ive eaten 5 turbos running his map. I know of other cars on other maps with twice the milage that get driven fairly hard that have had NO turbo replacements.

Do a search on this site for Celtic, and I'd recommend you get a refund

I have had experience of Celtic tuning........

His service is great while he takes your cash - after that - forget it

As for 200bhp? No way!

As for your turbo lasting?

NO WAY!

Ive eaten 5 turbos running his map. I know of other cars on other maps with twice the milage that get driven fairly hard that have had NO turbo replacements.

Do a search on this site for Celtic, and I'd recommend you get a refund

You are beginning to worry me now, thats who supplied my map!

Can you push 180bhp through in any other way? :confused:

Chris

You can with a variable turbo

It's the same with drive shafts and gearboxes... everything has it's limit don't you agree?

I can see what you're saying with the transmission, but surely the boost pressure (and therefore turbo speed) is the issue with turbos failing? If you can get, say, 170bhp from a tuning box without affecting the boost pressure, then you're not going to have a massive impact on turbo wear. I mean, I can appreciate that more fuel per stroke will mean the exhaust gas is slightly hotter (thereby increasing the volumetric flowrate), but then a) seeing how each oxygen molecule will be replaced by one carbon dioxide molecule, it's not as though you're going to have any extra gas to contend with on a molar level, and the turbo speed's controlled by the ECU, so AIUI, any increase in exhaust gas volumetric flowrate will be dealt with anyway...

Or have I got it all wrong?

Celtics maps have been logged at a 2.0 bar boost spike - on a standard turbo. I believe they hold boost at around 1.6 bar. The spike is quite evident on the road. It feels great tbh, but the turbo's don't like it. Not one little bit. Ask my wallet. Ask Harry Vrs's wallet..... etc

And they aren't a site sponsor

The transmission as far as I'm aware are "bulletproof" Don't a tuning company running a 600bhp Octavia use this 6 speed from the diesel?

I'm only aware od one instance of a driveshaft snapping too. Eh Jason

I'm only aware od one instance of a driveshaft snapping too. Eh Jason

Yes - but there was dubious history with that one, and since I've got one now with a proven history (nudge nudge to Devonmikeyboy ) it's been solid.

The gearbox is SOLID! and I mean SOLID AS A ROCK! If anyone breaks a 6 speed it's due to some faulty component, but too much power will not break one. My mate said he'd opened up truck boxes which were built less solidly.

I think a driveshaft joint would pop first. If ever I break one again (WHEN I do ) I'll have to look into uprated ones I think.

You can with a variable turbo

But surely it's the boost pressure that counts and x bar of pressure is x bar of pressure no matter whether it's delivered in one lump or gradually? Or are you saying that building up boost gradually allows you to be able to get bhp figures outside the turbo's ratings? :confused:

Chris

But surely it's the boost pressure that counts and x bar of pressure is x bar of pressure no matter whether it's delivered in one lump or gradually? Or are you saying that building up boost gradually allows you to be able to get bhp figures outside the turbo's ratings? :confused:

Chris

I did hear that somewhere actually! :confused:

It was explained to me like... basically as soon as you up the boost pressure past manufacturer specs... it's getting damaged from day one.

How long it lasts before it finally pops will depend on how hard the car is driven and how the power is delivered - it's still going to break, but when depends on all the other variables.

The only gearbox I know of getting absolutely raped by a map was Rob's (Yashi) on his old fabia... it was a standard one though I think.

It's not as simple as just boost pressure either...

It's the amount of air volume the bigger turbo can move - the stage 2 hybrid from TD a lot of people seem to be running now can shift bags of air at lower pressures than stock turbo, but it is also capable of sustained high(er) levels of boost, 2bar not a problem at all.

The turbo can spike way higher than safe by mapping it outside safe parameters, which depending on driving style, luck and other I guess may cause it to die...

Regarding Chris' question - kinda, the massive spike (surge) is what really murders the turbo (as it's way beyond safe limits). If you let the turbo build up to boost a little more gently, the final power will be there at 'safer' levels of boost (coz it just cant deliver more).

The 2 bar spike is insanely high for the std turbo...

I have had experience of Celtic tuning........

His service is great while he takes your cash - after that - forget it

As for 200bhp? No way!

As for your turbo lasting?

NO WAY!

Ive eaten 5 turbos running his map. I know of other cars on other maps with twice the milage that get driven fairly hard that have had NO turbo replacements.

Do a search on this site for Celtic, and I'd recommend you get a refund

Thats fine but when I do a search on this site every body has nothing but positive feedback for them. That why I choose them in the first place.:(