Hi,

I know I go on about it but its (da clutch) still slipping. Some people tapped I was being naughty with the go pedal so I have to ask a couple of questions after a couple of days "experimenting".

Basically it slips in 4th-6th from about 1500 to 2000, revs jump to 2500. The reason I like the VRS is because of the kick around that speed and the reason for the remap was to, er, "enhance" it . Now it seems I can't enjoy it.

So how do people normally drive ? Over 3000 before changing up ? No full boot below 2500 ?

Also been doing some dumb thinking - if there was/is a Cupra with a 160 engine in it, is that clutch more beefy than the VRS one and can I save a few Diesel Tokens by having one of those instead ?

Yes, I really am this thick!

Cheers

Change up around 4k, boot it from 2k. If you want to boot it from lower revs you'll need a beefier clutch and possibly a stronger flywheel. I'm not sure the PD160 clutch is any stronger and you'd be better off just going for an official uprated one straight off rather than paying for a clutch change to find out if the PD160 is any better, imho

Chris

the cupra one is the same IIRC,

onyl way to prevent slippage is to either drive around the rev range it slips or buy an uprated version.

I have now done 1000miles on my sach clutch and its bloody brill. Bite is awesome and i can use alll my power now....... power is nothing without control

the cupra one is the same IIRC,

onyl way to prevent slippage is to either drive around the rev range it slips or buy an uprated version.

I have now done 1000miles on my sach clutch and its bloody brill. Bite is awesome and i can use alll my power now....... power is nothing without control

Roughly how much was it ?

Edit: Or even smoothly how much was it.

Brave trousers on the credit card before asking about the Sachs clutch....

£530+ plus fitting.

Google it, then look on the SCN and Briskoda threads linked. There have been group buys in the recent past.

as said above, uprated clutch time matey, unless you learn to drive properly...........

as said above, uprated clutch time matey, unless you learn to drive properly...........

I'm too old for that now

530+ fitting, if you have alot of stella like myself you could have ago at fitting it youself

How old is the car and how many miles?

When i got mine apart i noticed the flywheel was blue and cracked and there was far too much rotational movement. so that had to be replaced @ £200 a pop.

Really you need to budget for the flywheel too.

Another populer solution is the helix setup which include SMF @ 790+vat

or you could go for american alternative in the form of spec clutch.

Bite point on the sach is perfect. its precise and powerful. Once it bites your off. Not so much fun in traffic but i am getting used to it

Its a 2005, with just under 30k on it.

I shall have to start saving then. I don't think this is going to be a home project somehow...

The clutch is a bit of a weak point. boot it like that on a stock map and you'll kill it eventually.

Your peak torque should be at around 2500 anyway, so why are you booting it at 1500?

On my angel map at 1500rpm it's turning 167lb/ft. at 2500 you'll be turning nearly 270lb/ft.

The 'sweet spot' is between 2500 and 4000. For me the purpose of a remap was to get more torque right up to the top and make it more petrol like.

Here is a rundown of torque over rpm from my rr:

1500 - 167

2000 - 259.7

2500 - 264.5

3000 - 245.1

3500 - 232.3

4000 - 227.4

4500 - 197.0

As you can see, you've got plenty of grunt right up to 4000rpm

Using the very low down grunt may feel quick but because you are changing up too soon, you aren't building up the horses and are making surprisingly little progress.

BTW, i wouldnt let you anywhere near my car

Or £600 for an imported SPEC clutch capable to taking anything in it's stride. However I did "avoid" certain taxes to get it for that price. Fitting was quite cheap and great value for money as lots of mongrelling was done at the same time.

yeah or get a Helix clutch and SMF, just got my car back today and its awesome!

Personally i wouldnt bother with the sachs as its a bit pointless in my eyes, your uprating the clutch but retaining the original fly!

There is a new sachs clutch now on the market i believe same as the helix but cheaper using the SMF flywheel.!

I heard off jabbasport about it but they said i would have to be there test pilot for it - NO THANKS

yeah or get a Helix clutch and SMF, just got my car back today and its awesome!

Personally i wouldnt bother with the sachs as its a bit pointless in my eyes, your uprating the clutch but retaining the original fly!

There is a new sachs clutch now on the market i believe same as the helix but cheaper using the SMF flywheel.!

I heard off jabbasport about it but they said i would have to be there test pilot for it - NO THANKS

What wrong with the orginal fly???

Mines just fine now, i have the oem feel but with no slippage, plus my gearbox wont destroy itself in 80k with all the idle chatter from having an SMF. :P

the new revised fly reduces the chatter, i also have OEM feel and nice bite, or as close as you could expect. Talking to the Awesome gti boys the flywheel is a weak point also. Plus i just wouldnt feel safe with the sachs

yeah or get a Helix clutch and SMF, just got my car back today and its awesome!

Personally i wouldnt bother with the sachs as its a bit pointless in my eyes, your uprating the clutch but retaining the original fly!

There is a new sachs clutch now on the market i believe same as the helix but cheaper using the SMF flywheel.!

I heard off jabbasport about it but they said i would have to be there test pilot for it - NO THANKS

Thats news to me matey, the only thing i can see them using is maybe a G60 clutch and a SMF. We have had no info through work to say they have designed a new clutch to work in sinc with a SMF.........

the new revised fly reduces the chatter, i also have OEM feel and nice bite, or as close as you could expect. Talking to the Awesome gti boys the flywheel is a weak point also. Plus i just wouldnt feel safe with the sachs

Why? your hardly running major power are you?

Devonmikeyboy off scn, has an A3 pd140 and has been running around 350bhp at the fly for a while now and not had any problems with his DMF..........

Sachs design stuff for individual cars, the manufacturer goes to them and says" we want an uprated clutch, to run with the DMF, that can cope with XXX bhp and XXX lbft torque".

Why? your hardly running major power are you?

Devonmikeyboy off scn, has an A3 pd140 and has been running around 350bhp at the fly for a while now and not had any problems with his DMF..........

Sachs design stuff for individual cars, the manufacturer goes to them and says" we want an uprated clutch, to run with the DMF, that can cope with XXX bhp and XXX lbft torque".

i would just feel safer and know ive got a clucth that will last the lifetime of the car, put it in and forget about it!

Thats news to me matey, the only thing i can see them using is maybe a G60 clutch and a SMF. We have had no info through work to say they have designed a new clutch to work in sinc with a SMF.........

yeah they have designed one, Jabbasport know about it and the wanted to use my car as a guinea pig! so i got a Helix lmao

i would just feel safer and know ive got a clucth that will last the lifetime of the car, put it in and forget about it!

And why wouldnt an uprated sach one last the lifetime

because they arent rated high enough, whats the official figure for the torque?

d/d quotes this

On the application list states 303 ft-lb for the organic sachs clutch, but this is actually good for upto 360 ft-lb. But we recomend this organic set up with the DMF for applications for up to 330-340 ft-lb.

maufacturers state 303ft-lb thats the figure i will go with. so my car is pushing 300ft-lb probaly more - thus i wouldnt feel safe getting the sachs.

Also told the awesome lad how my car was acting and he said by the sounds of it my DMF was fubard too.

So with the cost of a sachs clucth and new OEM DMF that brought me upto the price for a HELIX and its only rated to 303 ft-lb

Where are you getting this 303 lb/ft figure from? Can you quote a direct source?

Steve

i would just feel safer and know ive got a clucth that will last the lifetime of the car, put it in and forget about it!

You recon? SMF do not to the work of a dmf, meaning the vibrations have to go somewhere else, and that genually means something is gonna eventually break because of these vibrations.............

because they arent rated high enough, whats the official figure for the torque?

d/d quotes this

On the application list states 303 ft-lb for the organic sachs clutch, but this is actually good for upto 360 ft-lb. But we recomend this organic set up with the DMF for applications for up to 330-340 ft-lb.

maufacturers state 303ft-lb thats the figure i will go with. so my car is pushing 300ft-lb probaly more - thus i wouldnt feel safe getting the sachs.

Also told the awesome lad how my car was acting and he said by the sounds of it my DMF was fubard too.

So with the cost of a sachs clucth and new OEM DMF that brought me upto the price for a HELIX and its only rated to 303 ft-lb

I know the organic one is higher than 303lbft as i have the catalogue at work that tells me the rating on every uprated clutch they sell, So im not sure who has givin you that ****ty info matey but its incorrect.

Where are you getting this 303 lb/ft figure from? Can you quote a direct source?

Steve

Probably what JBS told him

I know the organic one is higher than 303lbft as i have the catalogue at work that tells me the rating on every uprated clutch they sell, So im not sure who has givin you that ****ty info matey but its incorrect.

:iagree: - exactly what I was getting at

I mean what do you know anyway, you only work for them

For the record, I'm very happy with my Sachs organic, in conjunction with a standard DMF.

Steve