I have owned The Gti150 diesel and currently own a vrs and new golf Gti and have driven a type R .A Revo map on the Vrs makes the performance similar to the new gti and type R and easily quicker than the PD150 Gti.The Vrs feels quicker than them all but on road performance is pretty even .Anybody who has ever raced will know that it takes a big power advantage for one car to easyly run away from another.With the Gti also remapped it will run away from the Vrs but not by as much as you would think. I race the wife alot lolol.Just out of interest I had a dragon digital tuning box on the PD150 Gti and it was then even with the Vrs but it didnt handle as well or feel as quick but the PD150 did rev out alot better.Oh yes the type R very disapointing its no fun reving it so hard just to get a quick burst of power on the daily comute to work. Sounds great when at full tilt though just not my cup of tea.

Thats what im always getting at, fair enough a type r etc will pull away but in the real world its not exactly going to pull a mapped vrs's pants down and skelp its ****, i get what you mean

why do you insist on endlessly posting that video, when you know full well it doesn't reflect actual factual real world results :confused:

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Bengie. What's the point in that video you keep posting? All know, and it's clear that you've edited the video footage your Octy's are not that quick... :P:P:thumbup:

I think it can.

Polo PD130,

Ibiza PD130,

Golf PD130,

Beetle PD130,

Civic Type-S diesel

Puntio tdi 130 .... and many more... :P:P

I'll change that to be beaten then, oh and on price

a fabia vRS weighs 1315Kg and the PD150 golf weighs 1388Kg

73Kg is less than one adult passenger

The PD150 is a tub of lard that is full of flat spots as standard, and as to 73kg being less than an adult passenger???

My missus is a size 8 ... I dont do freight !

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Bengie. What's the point in that video you keep posting? All know, and it's clear that you've edited the video footage your Octy's are not that quick... :P:P:thumbup:

his octy aint doing **** at the moment

I think it can.

Polo PD130, Too expensive

Ibiza PD130, ride too harsh

Golf PD130, too expensive

Beetle PD130, too girly plus the beetle only came in pd100 i think :confused:

Civic Type-S diesel nice motor but still too expensive

Puntio tdi 130 nice car just cant live with the fiat badge

.... and many more... :P:P

:rofl::rofl: sorry i am in one of those moods tonight

his octy aint doing **** at the moment

Only messing with you pal

screw you ya gosh darned jap carp owner!!

Only messing with you pal

although he did point out, quite rightly, that it'll move with the engine running...given sufficient gradient

it'll go, stop steer etc but it would only be 1 andrew powered

Ok not wanting to cause confusion, how do the Octy II's 2.0 TFSI's compare in performance standard and remapped against CTR's and the like? I'm on the verge of buying a VRS 2.0 TFSI. Hope i'm doing the right thing

Having had a blast against a GTI....on a private road. They're nearly identical at top end, if anything the standard Civic was edging forward but not enough to say it was faster.

I believe the Octavia to be slightly slower than the GTI as it's a heavier car, but marginally slower.

Against the Octavia, the Civic is a second quicker to 60, and 3.5 seconds quicker to 100.

Apart from going by book figures..

I've been in a Revo'd Octavia vRS, and I really can't say it was anything faster than a standard CTR. Top end the Revo'd Octavia would probably pull away, but a sprint from 0-100. Equal.

m vrs made 155 and 270 standard,on one of the trusted rollers,the dragon box equiped cars were struggling to match it, can i post the sheet again,........please:D

Ok, I'm hoping I can provide some facts to go with the argument (mixed in with some opinions of course )

To clear up the thing about the kerb weight, VAG figures are for cars carrying three passengers and an 'average load'. Check the brochures if you don't believe this. This means you can compare weights to other VAG vehicles but not necessarily with other manufacturers (who may use empty vehicles etc).

(If you think about it this makes more sense for calculating towing weights anyway as you'll never tow anything with an empty car )

Now to performance.

I had a 115PD Golf, remapped to 150bhp. I raced a standard 150bhp petrol Golf GTI down the quarter mile at Crail on 3 runs and beat him by 2-3 tenths each time.

This is a standing start where diesels aren't at their best too.

I own a Fabia vRS and when I had both I found it very difficult to separate them in performance terms.

From this, I'd conclude that the vRS will be marginally faster than a standard petrol GTI. The 180bhp petrol GTI, I'd guess would be similar in performance to the vRS. So little in it that it would be very much down to the driver or who got their foot in first on the way out of a corner.

My best mate also used to have a CTR. I'll state now that I don't like the things. Stupid power delivery and why oh why can't the Japanese design a seat that goes back to the same place when you fold it forward!? :cussing:

Anyway, I digress. We had one particularly spirited drive back from Knockhill one day with me in the Fabia, him in the CTR and my bro in his Civic jordan (160bhp VTi).

The Fabia was quite a good match for the VTi, but there was no way it could keep up with a wrung out type R.

On these back roads where the speed can't get much above 80ish, and you are constantly accelerating between 30 and 70 the Fabia has enough power to keep the CTR working and is quick enough to have a play.

However, you will never beat a CTR in a standard car.

The Fabia was only outgunned by the 160bhp VTi once the speeds got silly high, so maybe in a 175bhp Fabia you might have more of a chance against a CTR but if the road opnes out or the driver is really good, you will lose.

However, the vRS isn't completely embarrased so I'd say it would be very silly to be put off owning one becasue it can't quite match a CTR.

Owning a car is about much more than will it beat my mates off the lights

Ok, I'm hoping I can provide some facts to go with the argument (mixed in with some opinions of course )

To clear up the thing about the kerb weight, VAG figures are for cars carrying three passengers and an 'average load'. Check the brochures if you don't believe this. This means you can compare weights to other VAG vehicles but not necessarily with other manufacturers (who may use empty vehicles etc).

(If you think about it this makes more sense for calculating towing weights anyway as you'll never tow anything with an empty car )

Now to performance.

I had a 115PD Golf, remapped to 150bhp. I raced a standard 150bhp petrol Golf GTI down the quarter mile at Crail on 3 runs and beat him by 2-3 tenths each time.

This is a standing start where diesels aren't at their best too.

I own a Fabia vRS and when I had both I found it very difficult to separate them in performance terms.

From this, I'd conclude that the vRS will be marginally faster than a standard petrol GTI. The 180bhp petrol GTI, I'd guess would be similar in performance to the vRS. So little in it that it would be very much down to the driver or who got their foot in first on the way out of a corner.

My best mate also used to have a CTR. I'll state now that I don't like the things. Stupid power delivery and why oh why can't the Japanese design a seat that goes back to the same place when you fold it forward!? :cussing:

Anyway, I digress. We had one particularly spirited drive back from Knockhill one day with me in the Fabia, him in the CTR and my bro in his Civic jordan (160bhp VTi).

The Fabia was quite a good match for the VTi, but there was no way it could keep up with a wrung out type R.

On these back roads where the speed can't get much above 80ish, and you are constantly accelerating between 30 and 70 the Fabia has enough power to keep the CTR working and is quick enough to have a play.

However, you will never beat a CTR in a standard car.

The Fabia was only outgunned by the 160bhp VTi once the speeds got silly high, so maybe in a 175bhp Fabia you might have more of a chance against a CTR but if the road opnes out or the driver is really good, you will lose.

However, the vRS isn't completely embarrased so I'd say it would be very silly to be put off owning one becasue it can't quite match a CTR.

Owning a car is about much more than will it beat my mates off the lights

I'd have to agree with that.

Although, I don't agree about the seats. It depends on what model CTR you decide to go for. Mine retract, up and down, and are standard Recaro seats that Honda provided in certain models.

or the ctr driver bins it backwards into a tree,i see a lot of ctr's in breakers yards up and down the country,99% of the time the same thing,overcooked it somewhere and gone backwards into something,but they do appear to be a superb hadling car:thumbup:

Yeah, but when you fold them forward to let someone in the back the back rest doesn't go back to the same position it was in. At least they didn't on the pre-facelift ones.

His wifes new Swift does the same. Small point though

Having had a blast against a GTI....on a private road. They're nearly identical at top end, if anything the standard Civic was edging forward but not enough to say it was faster.

I believe the Octavia to be slightly slower than the GTI as it's a heavier car, but marginally slower.

Against the Octavia, the Civic is a second quicker to 60, and 3.5 seconds quicker to 100.

Apart from going by book figures..

I've been in a Revo'd Octavia vRS, and I really can't say it was anything faster than a standard CTR. Top end the Revo'd Octavia would probably pull away, but a sprint from 0-100. Equal.

There may not be that much difference in weight between an Octy and a GIT. I know of a GIT and an OCTY both with Revo stage 1 and they tested both side by side and was totally even. But then no 2 engines are the same when remapped i suppose.

Yeah, but when you fold them forward to let someone in the back the back rest doesn't go back to the same position it was in. At least they didn't on the pre-facelift ones.

His wifes new Swift does the same. Small point though

Yes it does, the 53 plates, and the 55 plate onwards all do it.

or the ctr driver bins it backwards into a tree,i see a lot of ctr's in breakers yards up and down the country,99% of the time the same thing,overcooked it somewhere and gone backwards into something,but they do appear to be a superb hadling car:thumbup:

Good handling car, but most owners will say they no the limits and bang.... before they know it ... it's gone.

Great handling, but it has it's limits.

Somehow flipping Fabia's upside down/into a ditch springs to mind in relation to the 'binning CTR's comment

Each car is good/bad in their own way, as per usual

Makes me laugh. I haven't been on this forum much for over a year. I come on to advertise some springs, and what do you know. 5th post down is exactly the reason I give this place a wide birth........

Makes me laugh. I haven't been on this forum much for over a year. I come on to advertise some springs, and what do you know. 5th post down is exactly the reason I give this place a wide birth........

well im sure you have won over the hearts of the potential buyers with that post.

but then anyone selling springs cant be that into cars or they would be selling matched springs+dampers in acknowledgement that fitting springs only is probably one of the most ill judged modifications you can make this side of a "resistor" mod.

Somehow flipping Fabia's upside down/into a ditch springs to mind in relation to the 'binning CTR's comment

Each car is good/bad in their own way, as per usual

being in the trade so to speak,i was just saying that there seem to be a lot of ctr's with very similar damage,where faba vrs's are quite a rare thing to find in a breakers yard,i think it may possibly be that the owners of ctr's are going a lot faster when they lose it,all cars have limits,or maybe its simply average ctr owners are much younger than average blue rinse brigade fabia owners,who despite the car being more than capabel of fast speeds,cruise round at 20mph getting under everyone elses feet;)

I wasn't having a go at ctr handling,they are fatastic,and a car i can see myself owning in the future,i was simply making an observation based on my working expierience:D

Makes me laugh. I haven't been on this forum much for over a year. I come on to advertise some springs, and what do you know. 5th post down is exactly the reason I give this place a wide birth........

I know what you're saying, how very dare someone present an honest, realistic opinion :eek:

you dropped these, I believe: