Hi,

I'm looking to buy a vRS, have driven a petrol but want to have a go in the diesel before I make a decision.

My question is what is real world fuel economy like for either. I have a relatively short commute at 12 miles each way but it is 75% fast roads. I'm a 60-65mph man so on the commute I'm not looking to get to work in 5 mins.

Weekends are normally longer drives ferrying the family about.

Why do I want a vRS then? Why not...

I drive a diesel laguna at the moment and average 48mpg.

Darren

There have been numerous threads on this topic and the general view seems to be that for your kind of driving you should expect lower 30s from the petrol and lower 40s from the TDI.

I am currently doing a similar commute, (10 miles each way 75%ish dual carriageways), in my 105bhp 1.9tdi. The trip computer says the overall mpg is 48.6, I worked it out on full tank to full tank as 46.1mpg

My calculated petrol economy is in my signature, most journeys are my 6 mile commute to work

I've seen low 40's very very rarely:eek:

Low 30's on long runs and,

late teens around city driving,

30MPG would be an accurate overall me thinks!

You could get 38mpg on your commute but probably the average would be a bit lower since it's so short.

If I got to work it's a 30mile trip and at 70-75 I can get about 35mpg and that includes a stint queuing in Dundee.

I've had 37mpg on a longer run to Glasgow at 70-75.

21-23 in the town driving gently.

^ takes a bit of disciplines to get that. It doesn't need much work on the loud pedal to drop to 28mpg. My long term average is about 33mpg right now.

If you're not doing many miles the derv might be a false economy.

Thanks for the responses.

The reason I've asked is that I've only got manufacturer figures to go on and at the moment the diesel works out approx. £800 cheaper over 3yrs at 12K miles pa which is how long I intend to keep the car.

If real world figures bring the numbers closer I could be tempted to stick with the petrol.

As an aside, how quiet are the diesels? My 1.9dci is lovely and quiet but I had a Mondeo hire car last week and it sounded like a bag of nails in comparison.

Darren

There have been numerous threads on this topic and the general view seems to be that for your kind of driving you should expect lower 30s from the petrol and lower 40s from the TDI.

Exactly my thoughts!

As an aside, how quiet are the diesels? My 1.9dci is lovely and quiet but I had a Mondeo hire car last week and it sounded like a bag of nails in comparison.

Darren

They are far from quiet, believe me. Go take a test drive to see if it bothers you... doesn't bother me

As an aside, how quiet are the diesels? My 1.9dci is lovely and quiet but I had a Mondeo hire car last week and it sounded like a bag of nails in comparison.

Darren

Ooooh yes! vRS TDI is not quiet; nice throaty gruff roar on full throttle gives it, IMHO, a degree of character, whereas the TFSI sound anaemic and like a sewing machine. :(

PS> on fuel consumption; I doubt that you will better the 48mpg from your Laguna but then this is not a performance hatch, is it? Surely you want to buy a vRS for reasons other than fuel consumption.

Ooooh yes! vRS TDI is not quiet; nice throaty gruff roar on full throttle gives it, IMHO, a degree of character, whereas the TFSI sound anaemic and like a sewing machine. :(

PS> on fuel consumption; I doubt that you will better the 48mpg from your Laguna but then this is not a performance hatch, is it? Surely you want to buy a vRS for reasons other than fuel consumption.

Fuel consumption is only one of the overall costs but it's the only one I don't have 'real' figures for. I must admit that I used to have a thing about economy but in the scheme of things a few mpg here or there is nothing compared to depreciation.

Ooooh yes! vRS TDI is not quiet; nice throaty gruff roar on full throttle gives it, IMHO, a degree of character, whereas the TFSI sound anaemic and like a sewing machine. :(

PS> on fuel consumption; I doubt that you will better the 48mpg from your Laguna but then this is not a performance hatch, is it? Surely you want to buy a vRS for reasons other than fuel consumption.

My thoughts exactly. My vRS TDI has a nice audible burble when you give it a bit of welly. quite pleasant really.

Personally i'm over the moon that I managed to find a sporty loadlugger that still does 40 to the gallon on average

Chris

at the TFSI sounding like a sewing machine!!! Thats absolutely nonsense!!!

I don't mind an engine sounding like a sewing machine.

When I took it out for a test drive on Sunday a spotty teenager in his 'souped up' astra with its go faster stripes, big wheels and power bulge overtook me on the A1.

I put my foot down and left him for dead in 6th, so much more civilized and so satisfying.

at the TFSI sounding like a sewing machine!!! Thats absolutely nonsense!!!

It is too quiet though. My mates ST Focus has a great roar when you boot it.

And it sounds like a bag of spanners on idle.

^that sounds negative but I do love my Octy and it's by far the best car I've ever owned.

Last tankfull: 46.4 mpg (530 miles)

I drive about 12 miles to work each day.

From another thread: (http://briskoda.net/forums/octavia-ii/vrs-do-you-really-use-its-performance/104357/)

There are retained value, servicing, road tax and insurance differences aswell.

1) Retained Value (3yrs/36k miles):

PETROL

Hatch 43% of 17,905 = 10,205 loss

Estate 41% of 18,755 = 11,065 loss

DIESEL

Hatch 44% of 18,760 = 10,506 loss

Estate 44% of 19,610 = 10,981 loss

2) The servicing on average (on variable setting) could favour the diesel by upto 20% extra mileage between services for the same driving style. The servicing itself is less, for example the first two services for diesel are 437 versus 454 for petrol.

3) Road tax is currently 65 a year difference (so 195 over three years and expected to rise)

4) Insurance group is 14 vs 15 for diesel versus petrol. These are not linear groupings and obviously the cost depends on many other factors, so can't really state a value for this.

5) But assuming a 10mpg rough difference in fuel economy (35 to 45 mpg) at 107p versus 112p per litre gives a difference of (4,045 diesel fuel bill versus 4,968 petrol bill) 923 over just 36,000 miles.

If you did 20k per year (60k over 3 years) the difference would be (8,280-6741) 1,539 squid.

PS - if you feed your FSI-T with super unleaded the above differences grow to 966 and 1,611 respectively.

For completeness:

The cost of an additional 1k initial spend (diesel over petrol) would be 225 interest only over three years at average bank rates of 7%.

At 4.9% APR as per Skoda finance it represents less than 150 over three years.

The servicing requirements are generally less on diesels as they are lower stressed engines.

Thanks for that vRS195.

I've based my assumptions on PCP figures given to me yesterday through Skoda (I thought 5.1% apr was very reasonable) at 12k miles/yr, only needing 1 service (as advised by the dealer) and getting back about 2k above the balloon payment at the end of 3yrs. I've taken into account road tax and a 5p/litre premium for diesel.

I'll probably start looking for the next car a couple of months before the contract ends.

With official mpg figures the diesel is ahead by £800, insurance quotes differ by £10 or so per year so relatively insignificant

I'm regularly getting 49mpg out of a 2.0TDi L&K. I haven't seen it below 37MPG yet and it had a high of 53mpg on a 140 mile (genuine - confirmed by GPS camera detector fitted to car) 75mph on cruise control run on a clear motorway with a couple of miles of 'town' driving either end of journey

I don't mind an engine sounding like a sewing machine.

When I took it out for a test drive on Sunday a spotty teenager in his 'souped up' astra with its go faster stripes, big wheels and power bulge overtook me on the A1.

I put my foot down and left him for dead in 6th, so much more civilized and so satisfying.

... but surely the civilised thing to do is to let Mr Spotty Astra overtake you and be gone, not letting yourself rise to the 'bait'; safe in the knowledge that you know you could blow his hubcaps off if you wanted to!

... but surely the civilised thing to do is to let Mr Spotty Astra overtake you and be gone, not letting yourself rise to the 'bait'; safe in the knowledge that you know you could blow his hubcaps off if you wanted to!

Ironically, I actually blew my own hubcap off the other day. The little centre skoda insert in the middle of the front offside wheel has now gone :(. Must be all that monster derv torque

Chris

... but surely the civilised thing to do is to let Mr Spotty Astra overtake you and be gone, not letting yourself rise to the 'bait'; safe in the knowledge that you know you could blow his hubcaps off if you wanted to!

He obviously wanted to :P

... but surely the civilised thing to do is to let Mr Spotty Astra overtake you and be gone, not letting yourself rise to the 'bait'; safe in the knowledge that you know you could blow his hubcaps off if you wanted to!

The salesman told me it was a good thing to do, and it was........

I can only speak for the TDi here (not driven the petrol vRS) but i find that at every oppurtunity I want to boot it. That still means Im getting about 41 to the gallon. If I had the petrol and had that urge then Id be in low 20's and would have to really show constraint to get a decent mpg figure.

I'm sure that on a run I would get 45-50 to the gallon as I was getting 35 from a Navara (2.5 tonne, aerodynamic as a brick, 174bhp) not so long ago. A petrol driven sensibly would do high 30's I guess, maybe even low 40's if really steady.

Steve

Filled the 140bhp 2.0 TDI today, 1003km and 53,0 liters went in. I filled it until the tank was absolutely full. 53,3MPG, and I'm not exactly a slow driver.

Oddly, the trip computer said 5,5l/100km (51,3MPG). I trust the fuel pump more

VRS shouldn't be much thirstier.

Well I'm going to give weight to the deisel argument as this is the data taken from todays driving........................................

Edit: And before you ask, it ain't a photochop!