OK just wondered if anyone knew the following.

I was told by a car researcher that the Skoda/VW/Audi/Seat TDI PD 130 ECU's increase power as you run up more mileage. So does anyone know what mileage is the car at full power ? The reason I was told the car is set to 130 bhp from the factory was due to taxing I think it was. We all know these engines make more that book power but when is the full power released ?

The fuel economy figures are done with at least 3000km on the clock if that helps.

dunno tbh... my vRS (octy) deffinately feels better as the mileage goes up but i'm putting that down to looseness...

Apparently Ivan it is around 145bhp.

Apparently Ivan it is around 145bhp.

Cheers Guvna, but I mean how many miles do you have to cover to get full power out ?

Mine had 145bhp after 1800 miles and kept improving. Still improved after being Jabba'd and that was at 3,500 miles. Now done 14,500 and it feels better than ever. They do seem to get better the more miles go on, but not sure the exact miles/power equasion.

Its not a electronically controlled variable.. just depends how its run in and driven.

Apparently new ECUs "learn" and adapt to your driving style, this is how demo cars are fast as they have usually had the *******s thrashed of them

I think the same is true for any engine, my octy vrs was running 190bhp by 32k miles, and freakcrab was 197 a few weeks ago with no mods.

Its not a electronically controlled variable.. just depends how its run in and driven.

I have been told it was, it was limited at the start due to taxing issues. I know about the ECU adapting but this would not make 15bhp difference.

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The Gay Switch Meastro Penguins wont make you go any faster either[/b']!! I love the Ad's tho!

Eh ! Where that come from ?? :confused:

One is a female and the other is male BTW

I have been told it was, it was limited at the start due to taxing issues. I know about the ECU adapting but this would not make 15bhp difference.

So it gradually increases the emissions? Sounds very unlikely, as then when you go along to your not-so-friendly MOT station they might well complain about the emissions being too high.

And what does the ECU adapt to?! Surely you push the accelerator, it figured out the "pitch" of the pedal and fuels accordingly. Just 'cos you boot it more shouldn't mean it's going to "learn" that you boot it more so overfuel constantly. That'd just be pointless.

I'd agree with Colin on this one - improved smoothness and increased performance will be due to wear in the engine reducing internal friction...

Rob.

And what does the ECU adapt to?! Surely you push the accelerator' date=' it figured out the "pitch" of the pedal and fuels accordingly. Just 'cos you boot it more shouldn't mean it's going to "learn" that you boot it more so overfuel constantly. That'd just be pointless..[/quote']

all ecus learn... they have done for years.

ECU's do adapt to different driving styles. The fuelling gets changed depending on how the car is driven. Not so much for different power levels, but to give maximum fuel economy on current driving conditions!

But what do they learn about your driving style?! If you push the accelator, it increases the fuelling...what other factors is it going to pick up?

Rob.

So it gradually increases the emissions? Sounds very unlikely' date=' as then when you go along to your not-so-friendly MOT station they might well complain about the emissions being too high.[/b']

Rob.

What I was suggesting was there are different road taxation bands as we know. The diesel is restricted so when first taxed it is in the lowest band. Simple as that really.

What I was suggesting was there are different road taxation bands. The diesel is restricted so when first taxed it is in the lowest band. Simple as that really.

Yeah, I understand that, but why would they bother contriving a system which increases the power after a while? In the eyes of Skoda, if you were happy enough with the restricted performance so as to buy the car in the first place, it's not worth their while paying money to develop something which then makes it faster for you...

Rob.

The ECU doesn't increase power figures with different driving styles. It just adapts the way it controls everything to give most efficiency for fuel (mpg wise) for the given circumstances. There are loads of sensors each doing different jobs for the engine. The ECU takes all of these into account. If it didn't do these adjustments. There would be no need for an ECU in the first place. Some relays and solenoids would give the same fuelling constantly thus doing away with the ECU. Though your fuel consumption would go through the roof!

Yeah' date=' I understand that, but why would they bother contriving a system which increases the power after a while? In the eyes of Skoda, if you were happy enough with the restricted performance so as to buy the car in the first place, it's not worth their while paying money to develop something which then makes it faster for you...

Rob.[/quote']

I am just telling you what I have been told by a car researcher which makes sense due to nearly all the cars having above normal bhp. Maybe we should ask Skoda about this and get an answer.

The ECU doesn't increase power figures with different driving styles.

Hmm...that's what I said...in response to the poster who said that it did adapt to driving styles...

Think the more likely reason for most cars having "above quoted BHP" is to do with conservative testing and recording in the lab when they are testing them. Or possibly because the rolling roads used at tuners are calibrated differently...

Rob.

I am just telling you what I have been told by a car researcher which makes sense due to nearly all the cars having above normal bhp. Maybe we should ask Skoda about this and get an answer.

engines loosen up.. they are not restricted in any way.

as they loosen tyhe internal losses reduce hence you get more power.

chipping them can release even more as it does alter the program of the ecu.

ecu 's learn your style.... if you only use light throttle openings and low revs the ecu will adapt to make the engine effiecnt and respond how you would like.. if you consistentnly run to the red line and used WOT then the ecu will equally be ready for you and open the taps quicker.....

To get an offical line I have mailed Skoda direct.

Mail sent

"I have a Fabia vRS as do many of my friends. Book figure tells us that we all have 130bhp engines in the car. Now many of my friends have had their cars rolling roaded and have seen 145bhp all at different rolling road stations that have callibrated rollers. I have been informed by someone who works in the car research industry that the ECU on the Fabia as well as other VW's has an ECU that slowly increases power the more miles you put on the car. I can understand the car gaining about 4-5 hp when run in due to engines loosening up but on average we are seeing 15bhp above normal quoted figures. Can anyone clarify this please ?

Thanks Ivan"

Eh ! Where that come from ?? :confused:

One is a female and the other is male BTW

Thats what You think, It's a big conspiracy theory, It involves subiminal Advertising. They make you think that Getting their card will give you a lisp and big eyelashes. I need it proven that it's a female one, I have to disagree, It might be a bit feminine. Oh, this is the Skoda Forum, oops!

Most cars are quoted as having a certain bhp mainly for taxation reasons. They usually are pretty cautious. For example. Japan states that cars must have no more than 280bhp. Quite curious then that almost all Supra's/Skylines etc etc have a quoted 280bhp when most register around 300+ on the rollers. Manufacturers way of getting round the regulations. Rule makers aren't gonna test every car that rolls off the production line.