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The story is they never built tmc into mib3, connect services only for traffic. Don't think Which would shift the Vag group. They were still happy to charge Seat and Audi customers just for map updates whilst VW and Skoda got them free - Which detested that but they continue doing it. 2020 was when mib2 stopped being fitted. The map updates are considered to have a 5 year period. That's coming up for free stuff. The other web sites for POI import crumbled shortly after 2020. Pretty ruthless in wrapping up the old, thus it was self help on TMC to shift it onto the one still broadcasting. You have to help yourself if you have a Seat or Audi on free maps updates so we were use to that. Poi import on all brands of mib1 and 2 if you want to do it that way. As for mib3 it's pretty diabolical as a navigation system from what I've seen. I've got no wish to buy a car with it. Ditto mib4 shortly. I'm sitting out till mib5 🤣. I like the cars system to work like a traditional navigation system not a cross between Google maps with poor memory storage. Pay as you go as well although the map updates you can do on all vag brands out of contract. Radio logos are an issue on mib3.

Hub was the word I was looking for. They had mounted it as a hub in that affair. So the unit supports hubs via USB.

I have seen people mount a card sharing thing with SD in front of the USB slots with a WiFi 5ghz adaptor. A Heath Robinson affair. Technically it proves a USB extender can be added which also has an SD reader in it although you can buy USB 3 to SD adaptors if you really want SDs to put music files on rather than SD. I have a USB-A to SD on my new laptop that didn't have an SD reader built in. I'm sure there will be the same for USB-C but bumping about in the car, reckon best to use USB-C sticks. Reversible ones (USB-A / USB-C) are recommended for offline map updates if you don't have USB-C on your PC. Adapters may not have all the pins connected. Where some people fail on mib3 firmware / map updates via a stick. Apparently retrofitters that sell firmware for mib3 find this quite common with their clients who cant get the firmware installed, whilst others say no it's not an issue with the right adapter. Not for them it wasn't. Something to look out for. The make do mentality ("engineering approach") verses rather than getting something for the job. In the glove box behind the blanking plate is the actually mib3 units. It's how they are presented now. You have to be carefull with what you do in RHD cars just there. The glove box often drops further once fitments are moved on the gliders to reveal the fuse box and pollen filter so the glove box is also a hidden maintenence area. Putting things in there may hinder service.

On the last it's probably true. It isn't that much different to the mib2 high. You might at this stage coming off contract have to wait a bit till your maps are "old". The offline ones get a published update in June and November unless @MartiniB finds them ahead. Generally does. Dependent of what country you are in mib3 connected services are sold differently on how they are unbundled.

Yes that's the market in flow data. It's how HereMaps get their analysis data on any roads sneaking up by putting the mobile track data over them. Problem with that they get builders roads so when crowd sourcing sees what appear to be new roads on housing estates which are in fact temporary builders roads they pass validation since they look at the mobile phone track data. The bulldozer drivers mobile phone in their pockets, the delivery driver to the temporary store area. They should look at the builders published plans and local authority planning maps but don't. That's how builders roads get in. Then it's a devil of a job to get rid of them. New estates where this silliness occurs. It also gets into Google Maps and TomTom. Then all the map providers copy each other by digital analytic of each others products, flagging up areas to investigate. A failure of validation in one gets replicated, if each fails to remove the dross.

Accurately neither Skoda or Vag turned it off the provider stopped providing it. Distributed company based service. Detailed exposition of the system here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_message_channel If you look under Operation Worldwide tab you see there were two providers in the UK till Trafficmaster (Teletrac Navman) brand pulled out. It was that brand that Vag cars used together with some other manufacturers. Inrix the other UK provider continued it went under ITIS previously. https://inrix.com/ It's was @bigade1 and @pcbbc that provided the details to knock the Vag receivers onto that channel using the built in facilities already in the Here Maps tables in the map data. Following a process similar to what had been done in Australia to get import cars on the Australia SUNA Traffic Channel system. That was the previous English language enthusiasts project. The UK became the next as Trafficmaster pulled out in April 2023 from the RDS transmission in the UK. The issue of longevity of the broadcasts is unknown as @pcbbc said. Contract obligations to gather the data for their UK clients and car manufacturers and satnav providers to make the products available. Google provides flow data to routing algorithms piggy backed onto effectively spying on your Google app in the phone but doesn't actually provide what the issue is. Waze uses crowd sourcing of users reports but may not be accurate. Inrix official sourced data of road works etc augmented by flow data where they have it. That one is "official". The UK Highway Agencies are now tied into Inrix https://inrix.com/case-studies/uk-highways-agency/ Provider maps England https://www.trafficengland.com/ Wales https://traffic.wales/road-traffic-map Scotland https://www.traffic.gov.scot/ These reports I believe you now find in the in car Inrix based system as the official source of traffic data. It was Trafficmaster at one time but that ceased as the demise and contracts shifted. Those service station displays now gone. So that's the official source of Inrix data in the UK as far as I can see, when the transmission of this data stops to cars via FM is possibly anybodies guess. Connected cars and the use of Apple and Google products to give customer data has a bearing. The Mib3 VAG unit does not provide traffic data over FM / DAB its now a paid for service as part of the connected cars contract. Google / Apple products are free. Microsoft also has its own apps together with Here Maps and TomTom. All the apps tend to be flow based whilst Waze has crowd sourcing. Inrix in the car remain the official data I would say from the sources as far as the UK is concerned but a different type of data. Congested areas where fast routing is required TMC may not be the best. I haven't seen the mib3 connected cars implementation in use, whether this is just Inrix data or enhanced flow data added, pass. You might get the best of both worlds, the official reports plus the routine algorithm based on better real-time flow data.

You can jump as big as you like on a Skoda or VW they have life long FeCs, Seat and Audi need navigation FeC surgery. No mac involved where you should run CleanMyDrive on the drive once on the external media ?. Only the use of Macs requires that. They put dross in the files which cause the signature check to fail so it would not see the update since it failed the integrity check. The zipped file has to be put in at the correct level. Some manage to get it one down so the system won't see it. There have been questions about Skoda zipping. Always best to use VW files they have better QA. You can be a devil and use the 370 release which will be June 2024. Boo boo found that. Works fine and newer cartography. You won't need that 64gb drive since it's only mib2 high. Doesn't contain the extras stuff for mib1. Just unzip and present the file. That's an Audi file so top notch. https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/518018-columbus-map-update-2024-mib12-high/?do=findComment&comment=5829922 The VW manual attached which gives details on what the map file should look like on the media once unzipped for either case. Hit the relevant update that Skoda says to kick it off. Discover_Pro_November_2020_EN.pdf

That's a mib2 standard. The mapcode shown on the screen is also a clue since we know those. Us non Skoda people like to place them in the generic standard and high. The fly in the ointment with the mib2 standards is to look for this: To determine whether it's a Technisat (the one it works with) if it starts with MST2 and ends with T, MST2_EU_??_XX_XXXXT its a Technisat and the solution works.

Why the threads winding and having moderator profile on the Seat one I put it in the resource 🤣 You can read what it says on the map card. If it doesnt uses a map card it's a mib high, if it doesn't it's a mib standard. Next question is mib 1 or mib 2. Most people know if they have a mib 3. Mib3 2020 and on to 2024. No TMC over radio it's all 4g online connected services. Mib2 from 2015-2020. Mib1 5 years before. Audi slight different. The firmware it's running also tells you what it is. No mapcard with maps showing its a mib2 high if in the date range. Map card required it's a standard unit. By far Skodas use mib2 highs. Seat being a more cheapskate brand tends to be mib2 standards. I did do one Seat persons with a mib2 standard who got in a mess. It's all very straight forward if it's the card based system and know your way about a PC. The main thing is take a copy of the card before you start so you can get back to where you started. The Seat guy's error was copying pcbbc's overwrite next to what was there but not overwriting it. Once shifted to where it should be it worked. Was a simple beginners file copy error. BTW it's winding thread since it turned into a campaign thread at times. No chance of Vag doing anything about it. It's self help which I said at the start. Vag has signed off mib2 and mib1. They are on mib3 now. When stuff vanishes from their website that's it, they aren't supporting it. It's self help then.

Because I put them there but they are on the thread here where the work was done with credits here. If it's an Amundsen (mib2 standard) then no coding but you copy in revised file to the V12 maps (like yours). If Columbus (mib2 high) then you do need coding. Mib2 standard: https://www.seatcupra.net/forums/threads/updating-the-inbuilt-mib2-satnav-mib2-tricks-and-mib1.388586/page-136#post-5037297 Mib2 high: https://www.seatcupra.net/forums/threads/updating-the-inbuilt-mib2-satnav-mib2-tricks-and-mib1.388586/page-136#post-5035425 There are some mib2 standards which are the wrong type, mentioned. Your firmware tells you if you got that. Mainly VW units but seems a few Skodas do. All mib1 units whether standard or high just need the coding changed to traffic group 14 rather than 15. Additional to the links above.

Probably another thread for that I don't venture much away from the map ones here. MOST is the optical / coax digital connection (think its Coax so it would be dead if not switched on... may be something else needs to be switched on ?). MOST is what they are blessed with for external amps. More likely the gain is different on the balance... I would have thought. Probably a long string you can find with a Google to examine for the 5f unit compare with what you have in Obdeleven. MOST is also used for something else but slipped my memory 🤔. I'm never changed my firmware but have that module hack for FeCs. Stickler. The "experts" wanted me to upgrade to the fully hacked one. Resisted and somebody wrote me the module to go in the Mib2 high toolbox. Got my module code so it went in as an option for others to follow. They hadn't catered for the firmware I was on. At that stage the last Seat mib2 firmware was problematic. 1447. Now they do home brew. It's all basically the same code between the brands. Some people put Skoda code on their Seats but ofcourse if you have different fancy Skoda external amps then they won't be in the software. Where Seat started to get Beats and Sound on the later year Cupras rather than the Seat Sound system which I'm on. Why I stuck with the firmware I had. I didn't want "carbon" which is the festooned screen effect that Cupra people love thinking it's cool. No just freckles on the background making the screen difficult to read. But I do know how to get the Cupra splash screen at ignition 🤔.

The only thing I can think of is whether equaliser / balance changed in the update ?. You could down tune bands may be. Afraid I have tinnitus so I'm use to whistling 24/7 irrespective whether I'm in a car or not.

It's the 370 ones which are the June 2024 ones that have been found that are only mib2. Russian site and mib2 solutions one. Normally if you load the maps in regularly you are protected from anything going wrong, if you load them in via the backend menu then not. So when I said have you a backup that doesn't apply (we hope). 350 with mib1 and mib2 will be circa 32gb. Anything thing smaller like 16gb aren't the two combined. Has been spliced into mib1 and mib2. The Audi files are released in three forms, combined and component. Other brand released Skoda, VW and Seat are combined mib1 / mib2. Gracenotes mib1 high. I might pass on that. I've never found a need to upgrade Gracenotes. I put the album art on each SD album 512x512 via directory. Saved as Cover.jpg. That's the standard DNLA mini server spec of the time that was adopted in mib2 high, any larger and it might pop the program bounds - I've seen that in mib2 standard where it corrupts the unit and it reboots. The dnla mini server spec is used by ASUS in their routers, so does for me to bridge the gap between home and car for music files. I use ASUS at home. Think if playing CDs in the car it might come in or MP3. I've seen it once in the car where I did not get my album art saved correctly, Gracenotes stepped in with some art. There are troops of people digitizing those fields... well not troops. Either via peak a boo in Here Maps to see what's been left off their maps compared with others via digital analysis. Track analysis of GPS signals, they get them back off vehicles using their systems or loyal crowd sourcing watching for developments. Developers publish their plans, postcode directory, LA based planning maps which have house number clues and aerial images reveal the developments as being there. The car coming round also. The fly in the ointment are developers roads that half brained people digitise, those roads become fact as mapping companies copy each other. When an estate is built the developers use their own roads to shift the building material around and store it. They get digitised in. The half brains also put the roads through front gardens since they never look at the planning maps. Those maps also show bollards. Why you find a road across someone's front garden. Google maps are just as bad. They don't practise rigger and fail validation.

1. Yes 2. Yes but we don't see them too often. On 2. If you are going to do the upgrade then best to locate a copy of your original files so you can revert back. But you will probably be OK.

64gb USB or SD card to fit into it in situ. If they professioning to be doing it quicker than 45 minutes they will be doing it on a "bench" some how. I'd stick to USB or SD.

Thanks for the interesting stuff. @MartiniB is probably your man to keep an eye open for Gracenotes database. Russian sites seem to trawl Audi servers so something might come up either via those sites then appears on mib solutions website where files get parked. I don't believe connect services are established in some of the East European countries and Middle East so that flag set may be useful to them as well.

It's just an artistic thing. They don't want the screen overcrowded with names. That will be one criteria so even if they had the data they may not show it. Counter argument it's how I said on those POIs. Round where I live the local town has area names I'd never heard of so as you zoom in, it turns up with names for areas which few people would recognise. The long standing issue of it calling the local town a Duck.. whether all towns with the name Dock are called Duck I pass. Causing amusement. A typing error in the preparation of the files. The roads on the map and the next turn screen are so you relate the road to where you are. The mib2 high also shows three dimensional graphics to achieve that as well. So as you drive round say a castle, the castle rotates in front of you on the display. Perhaps you need the mib2 high 😉. One of those egg things youngsters talk about. A hidden egg. Well it's amusing when they add another one so a cathedral appears on the map. I've seen it on airport buildings and shopping centre on the continent. It won't look like that on a paper map. They use 3D images to generate the graphics.

& I looked to see whether the delay in releasing V19 was related to switching back to Here Maps cartography in case they had rationalised their map contract. Answer no. Still TomTom maps (I know which bit I drew myself)... so still TomTom and TMC if you want it in the UK V12 maps and the mod contained on the thread.

They started talking about it on the German Skoda forum having read it here 😃 Beitrag im Thema 'Navikarten Update Q1 2023 (Release 2024 für MIB1 & MIB2)' https://www.skodacommunity.de/threads/navikarten-update-q1-2023-release-2024-fuer-mib1-mib2.103181/post-2427243

Ah... We dont carry them in the car now but have my tablet to double check and for back up. Bachelor soup free maps was how we did our holidays in Scotland... me, chief navigator aged 10 on the back seat with the soup maps. Book map as well. Remarkable how we did it then. Less traffic. Now you get lane assistance and that can be very handy on the continent swapping from one lane to another on intersections. You'd never do that the old fashioned way - you miss the turns. The downside with sat nav is you never know where you really are since you just follow directions 😂. The roads are much more busy these days for paper navigation.

Think it's just a curiosity of the mapping system how they show geographical entities. I use DMS input or postcode. I can see for church architecture people looking for a village alone could be tricky. You'd have to cross reference it. I always augment with something else. Treat it like a sat nav system built in rather than stuck to the window or dash. It was Skoda people that told me about DMS input (Degrees, minutes and seconds) in these cars rather than traditional decimal place coordinates. Once saved it's there for ever 😏. It was the old work horse to get exact coordinates in. The rest is kids stuff 🤣. I still navigate with grid points here that I put in Co-pilot 14 years ago and exported and imported to the cars navigation 7 years ago. Delivers me exactly to Morrison's 😂... 14 years later 200 miles from where I lived at the time.

Well I reckon they do it via https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/512842-amundsen-mib2-map-updates-2024/?do=findComment&comment=5840805 But you'd have to try a few to see whether it made sense. It had come up a few years ago but remained un resolved where those titles come from. Tom-tom kept rejecting what the person was saying so they were slowly pulling their hair out. I suspect it is how I said. Locality name and town POI but if rejected it never gets in. They are like hamlet / suburb markers.

Then try Mapcordinates if you want to stay with mib2 standard maps and just dial in the coordinates. The app is very good at locating things since you can toggle between Google Maps and Openstreet. Has that peak a boo into street view. I find it very good for armchair planning. Save to favourites then dial in when you get to the car. Ordnance Survey walking book, the app and access to Openstreet and you are off.

That is indeed the latest map now. No the sub areas will be / should be the same. As I alluded to the mib firmware could have a bearing on it. Could be the size of the screen... as you zoom in and out using the twiddle knob on the right hand side it may reveal more or less of those names. No telling what intelligence they have built in. I was going to check whether Castlethorpe in Bucks appeared since that one doesn't have a POI as explained. That's when I thought I'd cracked. Probably is how it works. All depends on how they use the files whether just the TomTom ones or dive into additional files or whether it's firmware based.

On your image. The actual serial map release is 2110 as MartiniB pointed out there is a newer one now. The code above that V... is the part number for the brand. It's all the same release for 2110, just when put it in the unit it will show the brand part number. Skoda, Seat, VW - that's that line. Traditionally we would define the map by that ECE code but a few years back they slipped a year or six months variation so the mib2 standard and mib2 high ones didn't tally. The ECEX, X being 1 in that map dates back to when they split out the maps by zone so they fitted a 16gb card. You can buy the 32gb to get all of Europe on. Hand in hand with that map release is the V version code not shown but printed on the original card / box. 2110 is version 18. The main quotes for mib2 standard which is the 4 character code and the version code. Eyeballing the 2210 means it's not the most recent. Some people prefer to talk V codes rather than the seriel release xxxx. Those village names appear to be driven by those POIs which give the location although the company that generates the files for Vag may be using a different file outside of TomTom for that.