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I need some bars for my vrs Hatch in white with black pack. Options are Thule through or flush in silver or black Or wait 2 months for cheaper but equally capable arguably better looking Yakima through or flush in black (or silver). What do folks think? Flush + Black or don't be daft, cheaper more practical silver and through. Max 2 bike carriers, no box, and I leave the bars on as bike is on and off all the time.

Looks good, I'm looking for roof bars for my white octavia, and am restricted by availability, but unsure whether black or silver, or flush / push through! Ideally flush black on a white car with a black pack, but £300 for bars is a bit much...

I had an email from Shell last week (as I subscribe to their loyalty scheme) informing me that E10 will be available from 1st September across the UK, and not a day before. So at least one supplier is being sensible.

If it was iy £400 I might get it done!

Where did I state that? I've only referred top incompatible, not a date. Come on pal stop playing silly games....

I know, it's hardly clear, I've seen the same links. This from Auto Express: https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/104126/official-e10-petrol-launches-september The risk of now knowing with an old car is not insignificant, hence you'd think the Gov should be much more clear about when. It truly is an utter shambles of a communication exercise.

At the very least it's a confusing message between the industry and gov. The labels on my tesco pumps are definitely E10, but it's definitely still August. Thankfully I don't own a car that incompatible, but if you did you'd conclude it's a shambles.

I think if you're the owner of an incompatible vehicle, you'd want to know the date from which it could be E10, so you can do something about it. If you've no idea when E10 is in the pumps, just that it will be everywhere probably by the end of the month, then how can you be sure that you're not putting E10 into a car that is not compatible? That's not a sensible way to introduce it.

sorry to be pedantic, but it's clearly IN, not before September. From the UK gov website and the RAC, but I guess you know better, so worth sharing? And you've not read or understood my post, of course you don't switch on one date, you start the replacement from a set date, and over time migrate to the new fuel as the current stocks are used up. It's hardly complicated Motorists across the UK are set to shift to a greener fuel with the introduction of E10 at petrol stations in September 2021. When will E10 be introduced in the UK? E10 petrol is expected to begin appearing at forecourts in September 2021, and this news story carries full details. While we wait for the arrival of E10 petrol in the UK, drivers are advised to take care when filling up with fuel in France, Germany or Finland. Although the pumps are clearly labelled, it’s important to double-check before filling up.

OK, but you have to remember this is a typical UK.Gov website notice with its inherent lack of clarity. It implies it won't be available before September, but I guess that could mean generally available. Tbh, it's not really important, unless you're one of the owners of an incompatible vehicle; therefore you would think it would make sense to have a clear launch date.

I've just switched to Bridgestone all weather A005 EVOs as I needed new fronts. I already concluded some years ago that summer tyres are pretty poor in winter, and on the one or two occasions in snow they can be potentially disastrous, so I've always rotated summer and winter tyres on the same car. That's an expensive, and space consuming task, so I'm trying out all season tyres. So far, unless at fully committed mode, I don't notice a significant drop in warm dry performance, so that's one compromise that's acceptable. Will be a while to compare them to full winters, but if they are as capable as claimed, they will be sufficient there too. I live by the coast, so rarely get extreme snow conditions, rest of the time is commuting along the M4 and M5 so similar conditions.

According to UK Gov, you cannot buy E10 before 1st September, but obviously it might take a few days to empty tanks of old E5 95 RON. Tbh I'm surprised any pump has any kind of sticker on it yet, as it's misleading. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/fuelling-a-greener-future-e10-petrol-set-for-september-2021-launch

Indeed, as stated in the linked article, many places have already added the logos in advance, but that's not yet what is going into your car.

£399 for an APR map sounds suspiciously cheap. Best I can find for my Octy is £650 for APR and £700 for Revo. I can't be bothered at the moment at that price.

Back to the OP Had a set fitted this morning, and apart from the expected tyre pressure warning alert, nothing much to say. Not driven in anger yet, and it's dry at the moment, but they're no noisier than the Potenzas they replaced.

Thanks George useful info. I use a mix of 95 and 99 anyway. Ethanol has a higher octane rating than gasoline so that's one positive.

It's not launched in the UK yet, only the logos have been added in preparation? https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-9844767/AA-says-dont-panic-buy-fuel-ahead-September-switchover-E10-petrol.html

This is a useful source of data too, and arguably much less subjective: https://whattyre.com/news/finding-the-15-best-all-season-tyres-for-you-whattyre-awards-2021-all-season-tyre-nominations/

I saw that clip also, but couldn't find them on black circles. The prices are also in USD which made me think it was US product only.

In normal non pandemic circumstances, I cover around 35-40k a year business miles, so a few mpg difference adds up to a significant £ over a year. Most of that mileage is tedious M wya driving, so wet weather performance and eco are the highest priority, but for private mileage then handling and outright grip matter, as I'm spending my cash on my pleasure, after all, I didn't buy a vRS 245 for its thrift. I was trying to understand what difference there was between the different all season tyres v OE as a guide that's all, as there are alternatives to the Bridgestones, and I doubt the dry performance difference between say the Vredestein, Bridgestone or the Michelins is worth worrying about, but eco is (for me, when we all start having factory visits and face to face meetings again). Anyway, I've just ordered 4 for fitting next week.

OK, but the point about historical data is still a valid question.

I understand that, but it's not here yet, and the data is historical ie over last 12 months or so. All the new fuel will do is introduce an offset to the data, the relative effects of the different tyres will still be apparent.

It's the effect on fuel eco that concerns me, I get the benefits of winter grip and trade off for summer grip etc.

any comparison to the stock or any summer tyre?

what was your longer term experience? I live near the coast in S Wales, and normally do high mileages, so a summer biased all seaon with good mpg is the ideal tyre, so far I'm undecided between the Vredestein and the Bridgestone Weather Control A005