Graham Butcher

They insert a tube up the tail pipe and analyse the fumes, so how do you know that your emissions are low enough to pass?

OK, now I'm confused, you said in the first post that you had removed the DPF and EGR systems, so does that mean you have refitted them, or have you left them in placed but taken the working parts out so they are only the shells left behind in order to give the appearance of being there?

@J.R. This is where your thought process shows itself to be lacking. That video is about a Renault Zoe, not a Vauxhall, and the car was not being driven, it was parked, and the river overflowed for about an hour the battery was submerged, and the car was subjected to other vehicles such as 4x4s with a greater wading depth, being driven through the floods creating waves. I just wish people would actually watch videos before passing any comments, we could all benefit as a result of some possible learning taking place and also not having to enter into endless posts back and forth in order get a point made.

Yeah, I know, but I posted that video as it clearly shows that it is indeed possible to make traction batteries and other parts that are waterproof and that the Tesla dealer might just be trying the age old trick of denying any liability in the hope the person complaining gives up and goes away.

This video suggests that the couple with the alleged water damaged traction battery on their Tesla may, I say may because we can only go on what has been reported, have been fobbed off by Tesla as this Renault Zoe has been flooded and was actually shown on national TV, and it seems to have survived being flooded and was flooded inside the car, as he makes perfectly clear, the electrics did not get wet, despite being underwater, so they can resist the influx of water after all, it seems.

Yes, we have some estates here, not that old either, where the houses are located along walkways at right angles to the street with about 30 houses on them and the cars are parked at the back of them at the end of their garden and access to the parking is some distance away off another street.

The real problem here is that when your car is due for its annual MOT test, it will fail as the required pollution control elements are not there.

True, but as the article makes no other reference that I can see, (I copied and pasted it in full) that is the only date reference we have, sorry.

@Rooted here you go. On-street electric car charging: What to know By Ted Welford | August 21, 2023 Share Why not leave a comment? See all | Add a comment Among the many challenges in the transition towards electric cars, it’s for those without access to off-street charging. Here’s what you need to know about on-street EV charging.

That is what I would have expected but when I read that article it doesn't read as that. First reaction was, the lack of joined up thinking being applied by central and local government 🙄.

I was just looking through the electric hub section of my Regit program and I came across this little nugget which clearly shows one of the reasons for the EV slow take up currently. Among the many challenges in the transition towards electric cars, it’s for those without access to off-street charging. According to Vauxhall, 40 per cent of households don’t have access to off-street charging, whether that be from a lack of driveway or if using a communal car park. That number increases to 60 per cent in urban areas. Currently, most EV drivers conduct the majority of their charging when their car is parked overnight, but if that’s not possible as off-street charging is off the cards, what are your options? Here’s what you need to know about on-street EV charging. Do on-street chargers exist? Yes, there are a growing number of on-street chargers. The government established the On-Street Residential Charging Scheme (ORCS) in 2017, and this provides funding for those unable to charge their EV at home. The government set aside £15m for the 2023/4 financial year for local authorities to use to install such points on the streetside. It is ultimately down to local authorities if they install chargers, however. A recent survey from Vauxhall found that 72 per cent of councils have no published strategy for on-street charging, while just as shockingly, 69 per cent of councils are yet to install a single charger on the street. Currently, most on-road EV chargers are located in major cities, with London having a particularly high quantity of units available. What types of on-street EV chargers are available? On-street chargers depend on location and the type local authorities have elected to go with. These chargers tend to be slower, however, with most being around 3kW. On a typical EV, such as a Peugeot e-208, you’d need to be plugged in for around 14 hours for a full charge. Some might be quicker, up to around 7kW, which could bring the charging time down to around seven hours – plenty if the car is parked overnight. If you’re lucky, you might be able to find faster rapid chargers, reducing the time to around half an hour, though these are rare when it comes to on-street units. The chargers themselves come in various shapes and sizes. Some are integrated neatly into lamposts, while others can pop up out of the kerb when activated. Others look like more conventional charging points. There are various firms that specialise in kerbside EV charging, with some of the biggest names including Char.gy, Connected Kerb and SureCharge. How do I find out where on-street chargers are in my area? If you’re new to electric car ownership or are wanting to see where your closest electric car chargers are, the app ZapMap should be your first port of call. It’s a free service that has every charger across the country logged. It can help you find any type of charger, but has a specific filter for ‘on-street’ chargers. As we’ve mentioned, not every town has these installed as it’s ultimately down to the local council. London is by far the most populated when it comes to the availability and sheer number of kerbside charging points. Can I ask my council to install an EV charger on my street and are grants available? Councils and local authorities have various grants available to them for if they want to install on-street chargers. As we’ve mentioned, there’s the government’s ORCS scheme that funds up to 60 per cent of the cost of installing a charger, capped at £7,500 per unit or £13,000 if the costs of connection are “particularly high”. Ultimately, a council will only install and go to the expense of installing on-street chargers if they think there is enough demand – the ORCS is a demand-led scheme after all. So if you don’t currently have a nearby charger, you should get in touch with your local authority, and ideally get a group of people from within your local area together to show that you need a charger and that it would be used. The process will be different for each local authority, but you can register interest through external firms like charge point operator Char.gy, while Vauxhall has recently launched an ‘Electric Streets’ campaign. With this, it is collating a nationwide map of where current and future demand exists and is sharing this with councils. There’s no guarantee that councils will install an on-street charger, however. If I can park outside my house, can I just put the cable across the footpath? Ultimately, you shouldn’t just drag the cable across the footpath, even if you can park your car right outside your house, such as on a terraced street. That’s because the cable could be a trip hazard to those walking by, bringing potential liability issues. According to the Highways Act 1980, you shouldn’t cause any obstruction on a highway or street, which a cable has the potential to do. Councils have the power to remove cables if they believe they’re causing an obstruction too. You could look at creating a cable channel in the pavement outside your house to hide away the cable, or a cover for the cables, but again neither of these are recommended where possible.

Some recent drone footage of the destroyed car park at Luton, you can clearly see where some of the structure has collapsed around the ramps going up and down, dreadful devastation.

Well, it was an actual Times publication, but you need to copy the link to your browser in order to learn where the video came from and any further details about it. Simply clicking on the video on the forum page does not provide the links and extra info, so sorry about that, I don't control how the forum software handles external links. Here is the extra info not shown in the video, which was, shamefully, just old news rehashed. "A man has been arrested by police in connection with a fire that gutted a multistorey car park at Luton airport and destroyed about 1,500 vehicles. About 30,000 passengers were affected when more than 200 flights were suspended on October 10 because of the fire. Six firefighters and a member of the public were treated in hospital for smoke inhalation. Read the best of our journalism: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/ Subscribe to The Times and The Sunday Times YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/subscription_... Find us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/timesandsund... Find us on Twitter: I had to chuckle at the bit about the best journalism, when they are quoting 6 firefighters and a member of the public were treated, when most of the rest say either 4 or 5 firefighters and a airport staff member 🙂

Plenty of Tesla's SORN though.

Just had this video pop into my suggested viewing, so the question is if salt water did this to these electric cars, and the fire services around the world will dump an electric car that is runaway mode, into a water bath to submerge the batteries and cool them down enough to put the fire out. Then what is likely to happen to all of these electric cars that have been stuck in the recent floods or driven through flooded fords like we saw in the recent videos where the batteries have clearly been underwater and the Tesla that Tesla are charging that couple with a £17,000 bill to replace their alledged water damaged battery?

Perversely, this is true however the current climate change situation is not being helped by of these huge wildfires and some countries laying waste to huge rain forests and there are lots of these forests being consumed. Many of these so-called wildfires have been started deliberately by arsonists, allegedly.

This is what the Times have to say about the man arrested in connection with the Luton fire. (680) Man arrested in connection with Luton airport car park fire - YouTube

4 firemen and 1 airport staff member were treated at hospital for I smoke inhalation, otherwise no. Yes the structure is deemed unsafe as it is highly likely to collapse as a result of the intense heat of the fire seriously altering the steel characteristics and in many cases allowing the beams to sag and twist. Had they been protected, they are more likely to still be OK, but like many cases, speed of construction is likely to have been a major factor and also the cost incurred in such protection. The irony is however, that had the protection been in place, the damage to the structure should have been far less and therefore less costly to repair and bring it back into service. The fire breaks, yes, you have some natural ones, being the ingress and egress lanes on each floor along with up and down ramps, problem there is that like so many of the modern car parks you may have more than 1 ingress/egress lane per floor and where this is true, often there are rows of cars parked end to end separated only by a low wall just above boot level to avoid cars bashing into each other, and fire can jump over these walls. If these walls were properly rated and floor to ceiling, then any fire is less likely to spread beyond that particular row as the wall is then the fire break.

If the car park was built with the steel frame clad in some form of fire resistant cladding, like concrete then it is highly likely that it might have to be demolished. Thinking a bit more about the sprinklers, I doubt that they would have been of any good once fuel tanks give way as the burning fuel would have been circulated wherever the sprinkler water ran. Sprinklers in car parks would need to be capable of spraying foam in order deny the fire oxygen as much as possible. Problem is that as the number of electric cars grows, fire fighting these types of fires is going to be almost impossible.

Just have to wait and see what happens on this one I think.

Just found this on the BBC website, Luton Airport fire: Man arrested over car park blaze - BBC News

Well the mind boggles, if the cars are gone and the car park as well, what was left to damage?

Yes the MG did float and drift a bit, maybe the flat underside with the batteries caused that to happen, now the question is will his battery fail as a result of any possible water intrusion as it was certainly under water there.

What, so it have been arson?

I doubt that will happen, car parking is always at drivers risk and that will be I fear the angle of some insurers in order to reduce the payouts to owners. Car parks I agree need to be made to be safer though with at least spacings of a car door and half between adjacent spacings and fire wall between rows. I think that sprinklers may not a good idea as burning fuel will simply float on top of water and thus spread fire much quicker. Greater spacings and barriers and no exposed steel frames would give fire services more time to contain the fire.