I registered with BRISKODA a few years ago after buying a nearly new L&K Octy 1.9 TDI Estate. I read all the forums and rather let things go as I never had a problem. Well here I am back after buying the new L&K Octy 2.0 TDI Estate with DSG. Oh dear. I dont like it. Too clever by half. The windscreen wipers have a mind of their own but the real bug bear is the DSG. I have had lots of automatics and of all the benefits I like is the hill holding. Unfortunately the DSG is so clever that if you are stationery in gear and hold the brake the drive disengages. This means when being held on an incline the car rolls back a few inches before the drive is taken up. Disconcerting. In fact if you are on an incline and you touch the brake just enough for the brake lights to come on but not actually have enough force to grip the discs the car will roll right back down the hill. Is there any way to stop the drive disengaging when the brake pedal is depressed.

Other things that are confusing are the windows which close automatically sometimes, the indicators that do not self cancel, the display that does not show the odometer and the big plastic holder for the CD changer that has 2 large empty spaces.

I think I will have to sell it and buy the manual as the DSG is very jerky and uncomfortable.

This is my 8th Skoda so I will persivere.

Edited 16 July, 200817 yr by johnsmithmobile

welcome back to briskoda

Hello

Welcome

As a side note... there's a bar type thing next to the seat, it's called a handbrake

:iagree: - I've driven autos before, and still always use the handbrake if I'm stopping.

I don't trust them basically... Or I'll use my left foot on the brake

Welcome,

Unlike a conventional auto, the DSG does not have a torque convertor and instead uses conventional clutches. If the drive were to be kept engaged then it will be like holding a conventional manual stationery using the clutch. The result will be no clutch very quickly

Tidy looking car though

welcome along to briskoda.

Thing its the DSG isnt an auto box, its why they now have auto hold where it applies the abs when at standstill.

Hello & welcome back

Ben

Welcome back (but have you registered under a different name then, as your reg date is June 2008? :confused:)

That's a nice looking car you have there, lovely colour and the wheels look well. I'd persevere with this one if it were me, rather than potentially loose out by selling so soon. As has been said, it's not a conventional automatic transmission, so there's nothing within the DSG design to do what you want. You'd need to go back to a slushbox for that Seems like they've designed in a similar effect in conjunction with the ABS system though, from what Ross is saying. Is this 'auto hold' only on certain VAG DSG models Ross?

Cheers,

Steve

We really don't like the DSG. I understand what you are saying but the problem with the double clutch disengaging is this. If you hold on the brake and want to get away it takes at least a second for the drive to cut in. This means that when pressing the accelerator the revs rise, nothing happens at first, then it connects and you shoot forward like a scalded cat. You have to be very aware of the delay and be careful with the go quickly pedal. If you are descending a hill the engine braking is good until you drop to about 10 mph when the drive disengages and slips you into neutral. It feels as though you are going too fast and you have to brake harder suddenly. If you are on a main road wanting to turn left when the speed drops to about 10 mph the drive disengages and you go round in neutral and again when accelerating you get a big kick like you have dumped the clutch. Anyway, I know you dont agree. Nevertheless we are getting rid of it as there is no point in getting an automatic that requires so much manual input. We are getting a manual.

This is interesting. I'm really considering DSG next: I find the clutch hard work in traffic- it gives me horrible backache- and having driven a good few slushboxes over the years, but having always owned manuals myself, I'm interested how they compare.

Driving a manual I always use the handbrake, rather than trying to hold the brakes and catch the clutch/throttle, but with a slushbox in traffic I'd never use the handbrake for a short stop- only if the glare from the brakelights would annoy or if the stop was long enough that you'd take a manual out of gear.

The thing is you MUST have a good test drive. As everyone has said the DSG is not like a conventional auto box. I have drivem autos since the 80's and just jumped in thinking the DSG was the same. No. Get a really good test drive and see what you think. I should have taken this advice. Good luck. PS the car is brilliant apart from my gripes. The trouble is cars are getting so damn clever with so many hidden features you cannot just get in and drive like the old days. Yes, I know!

Thanks for the views on DSG; that would irritate me too. Incidentally, I've driven autos which had the same basic problem (particularly when cold) of you accelerate and nowt much happens, then the driven side of the torque convertor catches up with the drive side, and you take off!

I have moved this thread to the Octavia II forum to give it more visibility.

Holding any car on a hill without using the preferred method (i.e the handbrake, which is what you should have been taught to do in your lessons!!) is poor driving practice, will completely foock up the clutch, and is not to be recommended.

So there!

I have a DSG and don't have the problems u describe, on a hill the car engages the clutch straight after about 1/2 second just like swapping from brake pedal to clutch on a manual.

Braking i have no problem with either, though i have seen it switch into neutral a few times and roll quicker than in gear but nothing major.

It might just need abit or getting use to the difference, I'm 19 and had 3 manual cars before my Octy, I had no problems getting use to it but you are more experienced to a manual car than myself which may take some time getting use to the DSG.

Regards

Steve

as sjm says, i've had no probs with my dsg, and he could be my son !!..i find it a tremendous box

I am really afraid I took the wrong decision!?!?!?

I decided to buy my new Octy with DSG 'cause my wife is really stressed up when driving a manual car and I tought that a DSG would be the BEST solution, but after reading all these comments it seems that it is even more difficult... I am really concerned, I am really looking forward to jumping into my new car and test it, but unfortunately I still have to wait 45/50 days..

I am really afraid I took the wrong decision!?!?!?

I decided to buy my new Octy with DSG 'cause my wife is really stressed up when driving a manual car and I tought that a DSG would be the BEST solution, but after reading all these comments it seems that it is even more difficult... I am really concerned, I am really looking forward to jumping into my new car and test it, but unfortunately I still have to wait 45/50 days..

The DSG is just as easy to drive as any auto I have driven. There is a different technique to using this box in 'D' mode. That is stamping on the accelerator and brake pedal like a 'slush box' is the wrong way to go about things completely and gives a jerky ride as the computer will change from normal to sport then back according to the throttle position. The most rewarding way to use it is to think like manual and drive smoothly, allowing for seamless gear changes and ample engine braking when decelerating.

Having owned manual boxes since learning to drive over 18 years ago, this semi-out box is just so easy to use and can be just as rewarding to drive as a manual when using in 'tiptronic' mode. Then when you want to relax just pop into 'D' again and let the computer do the work.

I don't find the same experience as mentioned in this post about the clutch disengaging below 10mph or pressing the brake pedal. If I press the brake pedal slightly the car still tries to creep forward. If the car is on a hill, then the hill hold function takes over and holds the car on the foot brake momentarily. Pressing the accelerator gently means no jerky takeoff then when moving hit the accelerator hard and away you go like a manual box but without the worry of changing to the next gear.

My wife thinks it is marvoulous and would not go back to a manual now.

what exactly is the 'hill hold' ? how can i find it on my octy vrs dsg..i don't need it, just curious :confused:

This post has all the info http://briskoda.net/octavia-ii/hill-hold-control/105057/

There is an option to the standard ESP system - ESP + HHC (Hill Hold Control).

Is it applicable to DSG?

I have this option, and I'm very happy with it .