Which one would you go for?

TSI petrol is a great engine but Economy on CR diesel is much better 48.7 vs. 34.4 mpg and also RFL cheaper £145 vs. £210.

petrol...every time. peach of an engine

diesel - fuel of the devil !!! LOL

It's important to add that prices for car with above specifications are quite similar.

Diesel every time

Diesel every time

why ?

noisy

unrefined

more expensive

Diesel - if doing a high mileage they seem to run forever ,and I do like torque.

Petrol - fine if you want a near silent ride, and probably suits the car

Anyone got the torque figures to hand between these two engines?

I know it's simplistic but I hate paying tax so the less i can spend on fuel the better, and th eroad tax being in lower bands helps (especially with bandings changing next year) If it's a "how little can I pay in tax" then over 12k miles at 119.9 and 107.9

12000/48.7*4.5454*119.9p and 12,000/34.4*4.5454*107.9p

Diesel - £1,342

Petrol - £1,710

Difference - £368

I also like the being able to go on a big tour round the country and not have to fill up, and based on those mpg on a 60 litre fill-up you can get 640 miles (£71) on diesel and 454 miles (£65) in petrol.

why ?

noisy

unrefined

more expensive

The 1.8TSI 160 is a gutless yella pie slinger compared to the 2.0TDI 170 CR, that's why.

I've tried the 1.8 engine in the A4, and it doesn't even vaguely compare to the power and flexibility of the 170 CR diesel. You have to rev the tits off it in order to get any sort of performance. Not what I'm looking for in a comfortable motorway cruiser.

As for noisy and unrefined, you obviously haven't driven the 170CR Superb yet. You can bearly hear the engine at tickover, and it's as smooth as a babies backside when driving. I'll admit, it's still not quite as quiet as the petrol, but the sound insulation in the Superb is so good, it hardly matters.

Then we come to the fuel economy, which will be way better in the diesel. It all depends on how many miles you are going to do. If it's a lot (> 20000 PA), then it has to be diesel. Less than this, and it's less of a factor. My company pays for all my fuel, and I still chose the diesel (company car tax being about equal for both engine types).

It sounds to me like you are already being swayed towards the diesel. There are plenty of 170CR Superbs around for test drive, and you can always try an A4 with the 1.8TSI engine to get a comparison. I know that a number of dealers are getting the 1.8TSI for their second or third Superbs, but most of these cars haven't been delivered yet.

For me, it would be the diesel.

Bagpuss.

Edited 22 September, 200817 yr by Bagpuss
Confused TSI for TDI, so changed it.

Diesel for me also

More torque = better power output for everyday driving.

Cost per mile is less.

Lower VED.

Lower insurance.

Easier to sell on again.

why ?

noisy

unrefined

more expensive

Not particularly noisy , though obviously louder than a petrol.

Nothing unrefined about them.

He's already said these are a similar price to buy , and the diesel will be cheaper to run and has bags more torque which makes for a much more pleasant drive

Diesel 170CR is very refined. Seeing as the 170CR and the 160TSi are so closely matched on price, I would suggest the diesel.

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It sounds to me like you are already being swayed towards the diesel. There are plenty of 170CR Superbs around for test drive, and you can always try an A4 with the 1.8TSI engine to get a comparison. I know that a number of dealers are getting the 1.8TDI for their second or third Superbs, but most of these cars haven't been delivered yet.

For me, it would be the diesel.

Bagpuss.

Indeed.

I am driving 02 Citroen C5 estate with 2.0 HDI.

110bhp for heavy estate definitely is not enough (I cannot imagine how 90bhp version runs) but 100k miles on the clock and no major issues.

I used to diesel for all those years especially on long runs across Europe where diesel was (is) a bit cheaper.

Doing regularly well over 50 mpg (with fully loaded car) I'm not to worry reaching wallet on petrol station.

Unfortunately, not all of us driving company car

The 1.8TSI 160 is a gutless yella pie slinger compared to the 2.0TDI 170 CR, that's why.

Bagpuss.

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2.0ltr TDI CR 125kW/170hp 6-Speed 4X4 168 Co2. Price is TBA is Ireland but i'd love the control of the 4x4 when things get rough.

i prefer the torque pulling power of a diesel to be honest......although petrol engined tsi is a much more refined unit than the diesel, the spec for the torque figures on the top of the range 26k motor is the same as the 260bhp v6 petrol..and basically have the same pulling power as the se version for 5k less

drove the 170CR today in DSG and it was not great. the box changes up too early and hunts gears around town. despite the torque it did labour and then kick down when driving at 30mph as it selected 5th . it needs 4th at this speed so then kicked down and was a bit jery. maybe those of you that like the 170CR have driven the manual ?

drove the 170CR today in DSG and it was not great. the box changes up too early and hunts gears around town. despite the torque it did labour and then kick down when driving at 30mph as it selected 5th . it needs 4th at this speed so then kicked down and was a bit jery. maybe those of you that like the 170CR have driven the manual ?

I certainly didn't notice this when I test drove the 170 DSG. Something to bear in mind is that the DSG box adapts to driving style. If you drive like an old fuddy duddy, then it will adapt it's change points to suit. Similarly, if you drive more aggressively, it will hold on to the revs long in each gear, and not change up so early.

Over time, I think you would find that the box adjusts to your driving style. Certainly, the DSG box in my current Octavia has.

Having said all that, I do still get caught out occasionally, particularly when the box doesn't kick down as quickly as I was expecting. This can happen if you've been driving gently for a while. It's one of the reasons I value the flappy paddles so much. If you want to take full control, you can.

Personally, I've ended up going for the manual with the 170 engine. Not because I didn't like the DSG, I simply couldn't afford it.

If you've got any doubts about the DSG, then I think you should try and get a test drive over a weekend, or simply go for the manual.

Bagpuss.

drove the 170CR today in DSG and it was not great. the box changes up too early and hunts gears around town. despite the torque it did labour and then kick down when driving at 30mph as it selected 5th . it needs 4th at this speed so then kicked down and was a bit jery. maybe those of you that like the 170CR have driven the manual ?

I found this a bit. I'm waiting for Bickertons to get a manual in for me to try.

i need to find a dealer who is willing to let me have one for a day. the dealer i went to yesterday was not allowed to let me have an unaccompanied test drive. he tried - he asked the MD who said "NO". we did go out for over an hour but i would have preferred to live with a car all day. not sure if i am ready to spend 22-24k until i have done this.

anyone know of a dealer with an SE spec car who will let me take it for a full day ?

The 1.8TSI 160 is a gutless yella pie slinger compared to the 2.0TDI 170 CR, that's why.

I've tried the 1.8 engine in the A4, and it doesn't even vaguely compare to the power and flexibility of the 170 CR diesel. You have to rev the tits off it in order to get any sort of performance. Not what I'm looking for in a comfortable motorway cruiser.

This is not my experience of the 1.8TSI in the Octavia - in fact entirely the opposite!

This is not my experience of the 1.8TSI in the Octavia - in fact entirely the opposite!

It might be better in the Octavia, as the Octavia 1.8TSI is nearly 100kg lighter than the A4, and 200kg lighter than the Superb.

I'm simply basing my statements on the experience of driving the A4 1.8TSI and the Superb 170TDI CR. The diesel was a clear winner, in terms of both pulling power and top end. It was also a much more relaxed drive, due to both max. power and torque being delivered lower down the rev range.

Have you driven any cars with the 170CR diesel engine? It might alter your perception of the 1.8TSI a bit.

I have to say that the 1.8TSI is a great engine, but it feels underpowered in the A4. Once Revo have gotten their mits on it. it's a different story. 220bhp and 275lb ft of torque make quite a difference

The 1.8TSI 160 is a gutless yella pie slinger compared to the 2.0TDI 170 CR, that's why.

I've tried the 1.8 engine in the A4, and it doesn't even vaguely compare to the power and flexibility of the 170 CR diesel. You have to rev the tits off it in order to get any sort of performance. Not what I'm looking for in a comfortable motorway cruiser.

Then we come to the fuel economy, which will be way better in the diesel. It all depends on how many miles you are going to do. If it's a lot (> 20000 PA), then it has to be diesel. Less than this, and it's less of a factor. My company pays for all my fuel, and I still chose the diesel (company car tax being about equal for both engine types).

Sorry for being a gravedigger...

Are you sure the Audi you drove was the new 1.8TSi with 118kw/250Nm? If so, did it have the right fuel in it? Mine just dies if it has <95ron in it.

Motorway cruiser? 110kmh actual (110kmh indicated) = ~2700rpm in top.

Fuel economy? I get <6.0L/100km on the motorway & average 7.0L/100km including suburban commuting.

The engine you describe in your test drive doesn't sound like the engine in my car.

why ?

noisy

unrefined

more expensive

Have driven the diesel 170 with dsg...

Noisy........no, you can hardly hear it

unrefined.......no, really well behaved and as said you can hardly hear it let alone feel it

expensive......maybe but it depends on how many miles you drive ....me I prefer it so the cost doesn't come into it

Drove a v6 petrol and the 170 cr diesel the same day and have to say the diesel was by far the better car.....and that was the same for everyone on the day

I've gone for the diesel becuase of the range , although if they had the 2.0l petrol as fitted to the VRS Octy i wouldve gone for a petrol the 1.8 didnt have enough performance to lure me away from the diesel , although the 170 felt pretty sluggish to me no doubt they will loosen up with time

Didnt try DSG though i wanted a manual anyhow and was very impressed with the 6 speed 'box

If you can forget about economy for a moment, ask yourself which one would you choose.

- If your answer is "petrol", then calculate how much money per month the difference is (in my particular case, 40 euros). If you don't mind to pay for it, then petrol is your choice.

- If your answer is "diesel", then go for it.

And by the way, in your case I would choose petrol because I clearly prefer the DSG to the manual gearbox

You've asked and I've answered

i own a facelift octavia 1.8 dsg combi. Torque is fantastic and enough!!!.

i live in central europe where things are more 'loose' than in uk with re: driving.

i imagine in UK the torque and horsepower of a 1.8TSI are very very satisfiying to the normal driver.

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now if you do more than 20k miles per year then it is sensible to buy a diesel.

OTHERWISE petrol is a no brainer...

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