1. Cars that drive slower than lorries..

er... cough... some cars can't go any faster! See my sig!

I was on the M42 not so long back. A guy joined the motorway and in one sweeping movement took up position in the outside lane... 2 mins later he came back across to leave at the next exit without making any progress. I'm not trying to add fuel to the stereotype but you can guess what he was driving!

Sorry for the thread resurrection.. but.

When a motorway is at a standstill.. the traffic that really thinks it can drive all the way up the hard shoulder to cut back in. If going to an exit then, yeah ok.. if it's been hours and you really need a pee or something.. but not just to cut back in! Grrrrrrr

This really gets on my nerves as what if a Fire Engine or ambulance need to get up there and said jumper gets stuck!

Personally I don't see any problem in sitting in the outside lane if you are going considerably faster than the rest of the traffic and you keep an eye on your mirrors. Any reason why I should swerve all over three lanes of quiet motorway when I could just sit in the outside lane and concentrate on not getting caught by the police??

Because lanes 2 & 3 are for overtaking.

If i'm doing 95 and the rest of the traffic is doing 75-80 you think it's best for me if i'm constantly shifting lanes and hugging the hard shoulder simply because someone in black and white times decided that?

It's safer if travelling at speed to keep to the outside lane, not having to worry about lorries pulling out in front of you or getting annoyed by the people in the middle lane doing 65 mph. As I said as long as you keep a good eye on your mirrors (which you should anyway at any speed) I can't see a problem.

I completely agree with you if i'm tooling along at 70mph, i'm forever in the inside lane (undertaking the middle lane dawdlers)

as for number1 if you moved over people woulndn't be so close to the back off your car. you must be going to slow

Because lanes 2 & 3 are for overtaking.

you can overtake in lane one two or three where the other lanes have slowed down i.e. slow moving traffic. its in the highway code book and im sure scooby chris will explain more later

with reference to using the hard shoulder to get to the next junction, it is illegal and i have seen a copper before now parked on the slip road giving out tickets to those who have done it, however it would be an idea for them to try that within the last half mile when a motorway is at a standstill to encourage cars to use the hardshoulder if taking the next exit to try and reduce the congestion.

what about people that overtake on the inside :sofahide:

Wouldn't have to do this if the numpties sat in the middle or 3rd lane were more considerate.

These are all points that annoy me, typically had one last week on the M1 to M18 junction.

Someone in a Audi gets along side me as im about 100metres from the junction, puts the indicator on and sits there. At this point theres a gap big enough for two articulate lorries to fit in and still have a comfortable braking distance!

I carried on with the flow of traffic, at this point i started to recieve hand gestures (not vulgar ones, but clapping etc etc)

I gave a little wave, and carried on (thinking along the lines of C***).

I think people generally dont give a flying f*** whilst doing anything these days.

Davel, if you actually "swerve all over the road" (your words) then you're driving dangerously irrespective of what speed you're doing. And "because someome in B&W times decided that" suggests an attitude problem too. The near global 30mph limit in urban areas was set, for good reasons, before Tv was properly invented. Are you suggesting that you feel free to ignore that law too, because it's been on the statute books for more than 35 years?

Davel, if you actually "swerve all over the road" (your words) then you're driving dangerously irrespective of what speed you're doing. And "because someome in B&W times decided that" suggests an attitude problem too. The near global 30mph limit in urban areas was set, for good reasons, before Tv was properly invented. Are you suggesting that you feel free to ignore that law too, because it's been on the statute books for more than 35 years?

Swerve means to deviate from a prescribed course, most online dictionarys refer to it as changing direction (or lanes) quickly so possibly not the greatest descriptive term. Sorry, should have used the much longer and much more tedious description of.

"Move over to lane 1 from lane 3 traversing lane 2"

I prefer the term swerve to be honest.

Regarding the 30mph law, I think you just like arguing. I was just being flippant with the black and white comment

Fecking women doing 40 in the middle lane in rush hour just so they dont have to overtake. Not realising they are actually reducing the M1 down to effectively a duel carriageway, and leaving tailbacks behind them.

And old people, and foreign lorry drivers.

Idiots that now have 5 lanes up the M1 towards luton pootling about in lane 3 and 4, with lanes 1 & 2 EMPTY.

Arggggggggghhhhhhh

Swerve means to deviate from a prescribed course, most online dictionarys refer to it as changing direction (or lanes) quickly so possibly not the greatest descriptive term. Sorry, should have used the much longer and much more tedious description of.

"Move over to lane 1 from lane 3 traversing lane 2"

I prefer the term swerve to be honest.

Regarding the 30mph law, I think you just like arguing. I was just being flippant with the black and white comment

Swerve carries an implication of suddenly and/or violently changing direction. Which is the trouble with a text medium between people who don't know each other; you don't always know exactly what the other party means.

Personally I do cross all 3 lanes, giving exaggerated signals to the MLOCer as I do it!

People hogging the middle (or even outside lane) bug me the most, too. The UK driving theory test should include this question:

What does 'Lane Discipline' mean to you:

a. A mandatory driving technique;

b. A Soho dominatrix?

All those answering 'b' will be invited to exit through a different door, which leads to an KGB-style 'doctrinal re-education centre'...

And, if you answer "both"?

And, if you answer "both"?

A pat on the back from me...

If there is enough space for someone to overtake on the inside, then by that very description the car being passed on the inside should have moved over because there is plenty of space.

Although I totally agree, if the police sees you do it you will get in trouble in the UK, whereas in The Netherlands they'd pull the w*nker that is causing you to 'undertake' for dangerous driving..

As I am now driving something with zero power etc, I am finding myself in the left-hand lane most of the time, and I can be driving past people for miles on end as there is not a single person in the lane in front of me..

This even applies in 50 mph zones where I do 50 mph on the dot (checked against satnav) and probably end up doing around 10 mph more than the adjascent traffic in the middle/overtaking lane..

This even applies in 50 mph zones where I do 50 mph on the dot (checked against satnav) and probably end up doing around 10 mph more than the adjascent traffic in the middle/overtaking lane..

Which seems to be entirely fine to me - HC says "You may overtake on the inside when traffic is moving in queues", but doesn't state that a queue is not deemed to exist when traffic exceeds a specific speed.

When we were in Oz recently and driving on the freeway there you can over/undertake but while on dual carriageway type roads there are huge signs everywhere that say "Keep left unless overtaking"

And then some containing warnings of 2 demerit points for not following this rule.

Never got stuck in a single queue on the motorway there!

I usually just take it easy and have a much for relaxing and enjoyable drive than trying to go fast and get past everyone all the time.

People are idiots... fact of life... accept it and get on with your own life and business I say!

Phil

The undertaking thing gets trickier if you do 70 mph in the left-hand lane, and the traffic in the 2nd and 3rd lane are 40 and 30 mph respectively. Believe me, you'll get pulled by the police in the UK. It has happened to me. I got let off after he stopped finger wagging as I pointed back to the traffic basically saying 'that's why' as it was still going on.

With the car I have now, I have zero power etc so it is all about keeping it on the move, much more anticipating and lane changing needed, mostly to avoid blocking others and to avoid getting too boxed in.

It is quite enjoyable in some ways, but boy I prefer to have the estate

On a side note... what is the rated power on the seat?!

Can't be any more than 45ish surely?

Phil

I hate people who can't keep a constant speed. Nothing more irritating than having cruise set at 10%+2 and keep leapfrogging with the same car.

Yes - and the dirty looks you get, because they think YOU are driving inconsistently.

I looked up the Marbella... a whopping 36 BHP!!!

I looked up the Marbella... a whopping 36 BHP!!!

with about 70mpg, just think if you lowered it, removed the seats, sports exhuast and filter and got it remaped it be 40bhp and 5 mph faster and probably a few more mpg more economical:thumbup:

It would need taller gearing to even consider that, which won't be happening..

It's an A-B vehicle. I will enhance it with a radio though.

The undertaking thing gets trickier if you do 70 mph in the left-hand lane, and the traffic in the 2nd and 3rd lane are 40 and 30 mph respectively. Believe me, you'll get pulled by the police in the UK. It has happened to me. I got let off after he stopped finger wagging as I pointed back to the traffic basically saying 'that's why' as it was still going on.

With the car I have now, I have zero power etc so it is all about keeping it on the move, much more anticipating and lane changing needed, mostly to avoid blocking others and to avoid getting too boxed in.

It is quite enjoyable in some ways, but boy I prefer to have the estate

There is (or was) an indication of appropriate overtaking speeds somewhere in the HC. A balance of control vs time exposed. OK, it was to do with proper overtaking on normal roads, not dual carriageways or motorways. 5, 15 and 25mph were mentioned. 5 being too slow, too long exposed and 25 being assessed as requiring too much acceleration, power and leaving you open to "road conditions"., I dunno, cow **** etc.

The Police themselves ahve guidelines as to how to proceed when travelling down the hard shoulder, which I'd guess you could relate to having a stationary or near staitonary outside lane. They are supposed to use blues and twos and not exceed 40mph. So I'd guess that proceeding @ 40mph whilst the outside lanes do their concertina fast/slow/fast thing is probably acceptable. Not sure I'd want to pass something @ 70mph on the inside, let alone a whole load of commuters rendered brain dead by the traffic situation.

J.

I looked up the Marbella... a whopping 36 BHP!!!

Had a 700cc marbella as my first motor! £5 lasted me 2 weeks!

Amazes me people doing 56mph. It's not the optimum fuel efficient speed for ALL vehicles.