JT if you wish to,ask to see the duty solicitor , , this is such a big subject now you can get book,s to assist you, 101 loopholes etc-etc, any one bought one and are they useful

They are useful to the persons who wrote them as they will be making money out of the likes of you !

If I see the word 'loophole' again I'll scream !

Please, Jay Tee, if you are looking, let everyone know that you are not looking for loopholes, then all those posters can stop wasting their time

how did the case go?

how did the case go?

I think if you look at the earlier posts Jay Tee's case isn't due to be heard until 26th January

"They are useful to the persons who wrote them as they will be making money out of the likes of you " Brmar if you swampy,s could read ,you would have read that I was not condoning the use of loopholes merely asking out of interest if any one had read book,s on this subject. I was only commenting that there are book,s on the subject, Could you expand on how you can use the phase "the like,s of you" when to my knowledge we have never met. With regard to the word loophole.s it would seem that a major part of tax accountant,s and defence barrister,s work is looking for loophole,s whether we agree with it or not it is a fact of life

"They are useful to the persons who wrote them as they will be making money out of the likes of you " Brmar if you swampy,s could read ,you would have read that I was not condoning the use of loopholes merely asking out of interest if any one had read book,s on this subject. I was only commenting that there are book,s on the subject, Could you expand on how you can use the phase "the like,s of you" when to my knowledge we have never met. With regard to the word loophole.s it would seem that a major part of tax accountant,s and defence barrister,s work is looking for loophole,s whether we agree with it or not it is a fact of life

I apologise if my post caused offence - I misconstrued the request for information regarding the usefulness of the said books as an indication that you would be tempted to buy one yourself (that, of course, in itself does not necessarily mean that you would use such loopholes, but merely have a general interest to know what they might be).

Since offence was taken at my comment due to the fact we had never met, my retraction and apology will presumably be met in the same vein by your description of me as a 'swampy'.

I have merely stated in previous posts that, in my personal opinion, people who knowingly commit motoring offences (or any other offences come to that), should be willing to accept the situation instead of trying to wriggle out of it on a technicality. If that makes me a 'swampy' in your or anybody else's eyes, then I suppose I'm guilty.

Thank,s for your reply, didn't mean any offense in the term " Swampy " I live in a next door county just use the term as you come from a county which would be marshland if if it was not drained,please accept my apologies if offended,do you prefer the term "Fen Tigers " With regard,s to loopholes if our legislators made sure these loophole,s in civil law and tax law are eliminated this would not be a issue, if you can afford Nick Freeman it seem,s you get off most motoring offences because of the number of loopholes he has at his disposal Cheers Melly B

Thank,s for your reply, didn't mean any offense in the term " Swampy " I live in a next door county just use the term as you come from a county which would be marshland if if it was not drained,please accept my apologies if offended,do you prefer the term "Fen Tigers " With regard,s to loopholes if our legislators made sure these loophole,s in civil law and tax law are eliminated this would not be a issue, if you can afford Nick Freeman it seem,s you get off most motoring offences because of the number of loopholes he has at his disposal Cheers Melly B

Parts of Lincolnshire are known as 'The Fens', but 'Fen Tigers' was actually the nickname of the Mildenhall speedway team back in the 1970's (the only reason I know that is because we used to watch Boston Barracudas every Sunday night).

I entirely agree with your final sentiments - it would be better if solicitors and barristers defended the innocent, instead of going to great lengths to get the guilty acquitted.

Apologies to all for going off topic for a moment - hopefully now we can get back on track.

the loop holes only exist because police dont follow procedures properly, dont fill out paperwork properly etc if they did their job correctly and filled out paperwork correctly etc then many of the loopholes wouldnt exist this is all an expensive lawyer like mr freeman look for, not rocket science.

the loop holes only exist because police dont follow procedures properly, dont fill out paperwork properly etc if they did their job correctly and filled out paperwork correctly etc then many of the loopholes wouldnt exist this is all an expensive lawyer like mr freeman look for, not rocket science.

And just possibly if they didn't have as much paperwork to complete on relatively minor matters such as speeding and drivers failing to supply information, they'd have more time available to investigate serious incidents which you may have suffered recently ie carjacking etc

Loopholes don't equal morals and responsibility

They are useful to the persons who wrote them as they will be making money out of the likes of you !

If I see the word 'loophole' again I'll scream !

Please, Jay Tee, if you are looking, let everyone know that you are not looking for loopholes, then all those posters can stop wasting their time

Just checked in on this posting again.

Yes I can confirm absolutely that I am not looking for loopholes and will be pleading guilty.

The reason for my original post was to seek advice about how I am likely to be dealt with and how to minimise the sentence, esp to avoid a period of disqualification.

I have had a lot of good sensible advice, both on public posts here and also by PM - so thanks to everyone concerned.

My case comes up on Monday, so I shall be on the very early morning train to Wakefield, to check into court when the doors open at 9 a.m - and will see how it goes from there.

I will report back on Monday, after the deed has been done.

Cheers,

John.

Good luck - hope the outcome is favourable

Best of luck, John.

Good luck dude:)

And the outcome was?

hes in jail

come on mate dont keep us in suspence?

what happened?

billy

hes in jail

come on mate dont keep us in suspence?

what happened?

billy

Hi All,

Well, early train journey to Wakefield this morning and I was waiting for the front doors of the court to open so that I could get on the list early and I was first to be called up in Court 3.

I had decided against any legal representation, but sent in a plea for leniency with my summons reply as pleading guilty, together with a letter from work confirming my reliance on a driving licence.

It was over pretty quickly, the facts were presented, and the court official read out my "additional facts" and the magistrates retired to consider my case.

The outcome:

6 points, £260 fine, £40 costs and £15 victim surcharge fee :confused:.

So, I feel pretty relieved that I still have a licence and that the fine was not too large.

Thanks to everyone who replied to my posting and offered advice.

Cheers,

John:)

Very very lucky there I think John.

Well done John - hopefully that will show that magistrates aren't automatons who have rigid policies on when they will and will not impose disqualifications. They do listen to the facts, will consider them against their sentencing guidelines, and also any additional assistance which might be given to them by the legal adviser.

It is refreshing to see that you decided to deal with the case yourself - I sometimes think that shows a responsibility to put forward your own views instead of using a legal representative as a mouthpiece.

Having got that one out of the way, a few words of advice - keep your foot off the loud pedal for at least three years (and hopefully longer, of course).

That's really lucky.

Seem,s a fair result, with the satisfaction of defending yourself, no legal, fee,s to pay either sweeten,s the pill , Take it steady from now on ,set the cruise and enjoy the ride , Cheer,s Melly B

Phew.

Glad that your license survived in tact!

Great news! You were very lucky. After Rotherham, Wakefield is one of the toughest (I know they are all supposed to be equally fair, but they are not).

Lucky boy. Buy a lotto ticket

Not luck, he must have done his homework presented his case in courteous and well structured manner for the magistrates to come to come to their verdict, I don,t think they come to a verdict by tossing a coin, J-T has shown that you can represent your self and get a fair hearing. So why the sarcasm G-M ?