Very nice bit of work that. Looks like a quality job.

It just seems like that pipework is insanely long and twisty! Is there no way of bringing the pipework off the compressor housing around the other side of the engine, then down directly to your FMIC? Downstream of the intercooler is fine, it just seems like your going from one side of the car to the other, then back to the other, then back again to the drivers side! Guess you can blame the lag on that! What you've gained in cooling efficiency you've probably lost in flow efficiency.

This is what I mean (can't remember who's car this is!):

Is that the allards FMIC?

I know what you mean. The only problem with doing that with the intercooler that I have fitted, would be too tight of a fitting of the inlet hose to the intercooler. The one shown in the pic has the inlet at the top.

A question I would like answering though, has people had turbo lag from fitting the ABD intercooler?

I'm not really sure you would gain a lot sending the pipework around the other side. For one the pipe out of the turbo would need to take a sharp U turn to go round the other side and then the pipe work is quite long down to the cooler. This setup follows the same setup as the ABD FMIC.

If the inlet manifold was facing the other side like i believe the TT one is, you would be laughing!

That car is Leeboys. I think he runs the IHI turbo.

Edited 26 March, 200917 yr by martziniuk

would an intercooler with both inlet and outlet pipes on the same side be easier to fit? (I have my eye on one and an idea that it might require less pipework and hence create less lag...)

Yes it would be a lot easiler to fit.....but you would need to find one to fit behind the crash bar, which i have not been able to find ( they are too big depth wise).

On the subject of lag any FMIC will suffer a pressure drop and slightly more lag depending on the size of the cooler/ pipe work.

Here is a Boost log i did before and after fitting showing less than 1 psi loss during the whole run.

Yes there is a tiny pressure drop throughout the rev range but there is very little if no lag.

I have yet to do a maf log.

Sorry to hijack your thread a little Oz

Sorry to hijack your thread a little Oz

Go for it fella:thumbup:

most of the mk iv's ive looked at seem to come out the turbo and to the right then to the front over all the SAI and breather pipes then down to the FMIC from right to left and then up to the TB..,.. gets rid of all the stupid clip in pipe work behind the engine and the pan-cak-e pipe etc

Like this one:

DIY fmic NOW COMPLETE FINALLY!!! - uk-mkivs

A question I would like answering though, has people had turbo lag from fitting the ABD intercooler?

no mate very very minimal perfect setup for the car it was all trial fitted to delcacs old car to get the setup right i believe and this was the best setup for the octy he would be able to tell more....

leeboys car is completly different as he runs a big turbo:D

Edited 27 March, 200917 yr by RobClubley
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So what are the advantage/disadvantages of ding it the way he's done it in the link I posted above?

See page 3 of that thread for lots of pics of his install.

He has the older engine with no MAP sensor and also there's an extra pipe on mine that he doesn't have that runs from the turbo outlet to a thingy on the inlet (N249 maybe?)

Advantages are it eliminates the pancake pipe and gives a shorter run from the turbo to the intercooler.

Disadvantages are routing the pipes will be more tricky, need a way of plumbing in that connection.

Hmmm i wouldn't mind a proper look at how the pipes are connected to the turbo. Pipe work is quite easy as long as you have the correct bends.

Map sensor is on the return to inlet pipe so no probs there.

If your getting slightly more lag and a boost drop in fitting a FMIC, then with the standard turbo, is there much point? I can see a benefit if you like to rag your car continually during a hot day obviously but it seems like a lot of expense for little gain to me? I will only ever do mods purely for performance though so I'm quite critical and anal about losses.

If your getting slightly more lag and a boost drop in fitting a FMIC, then with the standard turbo, is there much point? I can see a benefit if you like to rag your car continually during a hot day obviously but it seems like a lot of expense for little gain to me? I will only ever do mods purely for performance though so I'm quite critical and anal about losses.

Yes there is a point in doing it.

It should reduce the inlet air temp, better than the standard IC especially in hotter weather.

I was told & shown the benefits of having a FMIC over the standard IC due to the lack of airflow over the standard IC. This was at a rolling road day at Awesome. They did 3 runs with the standard map & another 3 runs with their APR trial map. The difference in performance drop due to heat soak on each run was shown & proved on my graph, more so the difference with the trial map over the standard map, due to higher boost levels.

I have had it remapped since & the following summer I did notice the difference due to heat soak, even with normal driving.

Ok I mentioned lag on this I have fitted, but It is very marginal. I don't know If there has been a boost drop, but my boost gauge reads no different to what it did before fitting the FMIC, but so far I have felt a better stronger feel & pull in acceleration at mid to higher revs. The hotter summer months will prove if it has been any good.

This is a universal IC I have fitted. The forge FMIC kit possibly could be better with slightly shorter piping, giving less noticable lag & pressure drop, but with the price for the kit & the fact my second child will be born in the 3 months has forced me to be more critical & anal with my money:D

I have also enjoyed doing this little project:thumbup:

Ahh but the forge intercooler is very large and possibly too big for the poor little k03s which will cause lag.

Ok I've just been doing some vag-com logging group 002 (MAF) and group 120 (Torque).

The MAF results before and after the FMIC mirror each other.

The torque results are- The SMIC gave better torque to start with but then the cooler air of the FMIC kicked in and flew above the SMIC torque. Where my car gives peak power according to the last RR figures Vag-com gives a 30nm increase.

* All this is according to vag-com and should be taken with a pinch of salt but every run i do i get nearly the same results each time*

Oh yeah i forgot to say i will hopefully be getting a custom remap soon which will now allow the tuner to up the boost pressure due to the cooler intake temps, this will give more POWER....

The yanks seem to like going directly back to the turbo:

VWvortex Forums: *** Kinetic 1.8T FMIC Kit Special Pricing ***

I'm liking the idea - but I'd like to see how the exit pipe from the turbo looks. As far as I can find out it's 51mm diameter.

These look helpful:

So apart from the connection back to the N75 valve I don't see why going this route should be an issue. Any thoughts?

Should I have started a new thread?

I notice none of the Golfs have a Strut brace so this may pose a problem. From your diagrams it looks like to turbo exit is straight up so thats good. I haven't had time to look at mine yet but go for it mate, its nice to be different .

Yeah I was wondering about the brace - that might be an added challenge

It's going to be a slow project anyway - I'm skint for the next couple of months after paying for a load of stuff!

So far I have the MAP sensor pipe

Well every little helps, the planning is the fun bit. Get it all set out in your head and it will go together in just a few hours. I had months of planning, ask Gerry

The yanks seem to like going directly back to the turbo:

VWvortex Forums: *** Kinetic 1.8T FMIC Kit Special Pricing ***

I'm liking the idea - but I'd like to see how the exit pipe from the turbo looks. As far as I can find out it's 51mm diameter.

Rob, would be great to see someone route the boost pipes over the gearbox for a change. If I had an FMIC, it's how I'd do it! Seems a lot cleaner to me.

I'm sure you could work around the strut brace if you have one, or just remove it!

I've attached a photo of a K03s turbo (from a vRS), so you can see exactly what the comp outlet looks like. As in the diagrams you posted, the outlet points straight up. (The turbo in your diagrams is a K03, without baffle).

If we had a CAD model of the engine bay, I could model up the new pipework in ProE to see how it could fit. But I doubt that's gonna happen unless someone here is a designer at Skoda!

Good luck with the project mate

Reading this thread has really kicked my **** into gear again. While the car is in the air im going to hopefully mount my FMIC i have and take measurments of the required piping (bend angles etc) and get mine back on track.

Mine will be a little different tho as i shall be running a LCR Inlet manifold (Near side entry) so should be a lot shorter in length and thus less lag and pressure drop across the system. As Martin and Olly have said, the ones he has done are not too bad but every little helps

Shall try and get this put to bed in the next couple of weeks and do a build thread. Shall also be going to Impossible to get some before and after RR figures to see if it made any difference

Kind Regards

Garry

I had a look at my car today to see any way of fitting the FMIC pipe work in the Golf thread. I cannot see how it could be done on the Octy.

1. The TIP is directly in the way of where the pipe out of the turbo would go and i doubt you could run it over the top of the rocker cover due to bonnet restrictions. The Dv and N75 would need to be connected up to the pipe work but the pipe which is already there may chop off and spin around if you want to.

2. I cannot see how the pipework would go down and into the side of the Intercooler. The holes in the black plate which surrounds the radiator (don't know the name) are almost central so it would need to connect onto some pipe work which is running around the back of the radiator. The surround in the pic at the top of this page must be from another model or specially made.

@ Garry its about time Mate, good luck, I want to see how you manage to get the BAM inlet manifold fitted .

What we need is a photo of the back of the engine when it's out of the car with the standard turbo pipework attached.

I didn't find anything with a fair bit of Google image searching.

Looking at the turbo above it looks like the TIP and the outlet should be a fair distance apart - but you'd have to come straight up and over the top of the TIP. Hmm.

Not a lot of room to do that is there!

I think the only way to find out for sure is to take some stuff apart and do some test building.

This is a shiny one:

It has a strut brace

and...

@ Garry its about time Mate, good luck, I want to see how you manage to get the BAM inlet manifold fitted .

Yeah it will be fun Will let you know how i get on.

This is a shiny one:

It has a strut brace

This one appears to have the same intake as me so this could be another way round it if i cant get the BAM inlet to work. MMmmm, ideas, ideas.

Im just gratefull i own an exhaust manufacturing company to get the bends where i want, lol.

Kind Regards

Garry

Right, a quick look around a few other forums and a quick bit of reading later. I wonder if it would be possible to run the charge pipe (from the turbo) like this:

rather than down inside the wing as per standard?

But looking at my engine bay im not sure where or how i would locate all those vacum pipes that appear to be in the way.

Heres my current engine bay (less the S3 Brace):

Any ideas?

Garry