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is your nose gettin bigger there Des?

billy

obviously whatever Des has is going to be the besterest by far in the entire world and unbeaterable at all

obviously whatever Des has is going to be the besterest by far in the entire world and unbeaterable at all

Now you're getting it.

Interesting !!

On the track a front wheel stripped out car should be quicker once rolling although tyres will have a limited life before they go off.

On the road a tuned 4 wheel drive can be driven a lot quicker as it gives better overall traction & thus confidence & has a much greater ability to deal with changing road surfaces & conditions.

Having driven a lightly tweaked Octy 4x4 on severall cannonballs & a few similar events it was just so much quicker than the average car.

Des, ESP on mine when off was off, 4 wheel drifts were achievable

Em, a true 4-wheel drift is a stable condition, in which the car is actually understeering, so there is no technical reason why a car with active ESP should not perform 4 wheel drifts.

I'm running totally standard suspension on mine and I love how it handles on the edge!

Chuck it into a fast corner, if you feel a bit of understeer back off a smidge and the back matches the front, and you get a nice little four wheel slide for a bit, then you can power on again.

What's more fun is backing off totally, then you get some lovely lift-off oversteer! But it's still easy to control on the throttle. I did ruin a rear nearside tyre doing that though!

I used to slag off front wheel drive cars when I had a rear wheel drive car, but know I prefer this by far!

Interesting !!

On the track a front wheel stripped out car should be quicker once rolling although tyres will have a limited life before they go off.

On the road a tuned 4 wheel drive can be driven a lot quicker as it gives better overall traction & thus confidence & has a much greater ability to deal with changing road surfaces & conditions.

Having driven a lightly tweaked Octy 4x4 on severall cannonballs & a few similar events it was just so much quicker than the average car.

Des, ESP on mine when off was off, 4 wheel drifts were achievable

On track how many times are you not rolling. I wouldn’t know about the life span of tyres as I have never gone through a set on track, maybe the car is too well set up. :P

Straight line traction is obviously better on a 4x4 (below 30), not so on a bend though as grip goes out the window on the edge i.e. 4 wheel drift. Don't know if it's the ESP, it just feels like it. :confused:

The reason why the Octavia 4x4 can deal with changing road surfaces is down to it's electrickery but by doing so slows the car down to bring it under control. Weather it's the ESP or the Haldex, I’m not sure.

Sorry but the 4x4 is to easy to drive fast, it's just not as quick as the RS when it's on the edge. Next time we are at a meet I will prove it to you.

Sorry but the 4x4 is to easy to drive fast, it's just not as quick as the RS when it's on the edge. Next time we are at a meet I will prove it to you.

Can I go too? :orb_bounc

lol

If Des is coming to the Briskoda Rally Day I think there might be a queue...

lol yea I recon

People used to give me a run in their fast cars and then say "It is usually faster than that but it feels down on power and the handling is a bit off today".

Yeah, mate. That is because I weigh 20 stone

I got my car a few months ago and I have ordered upper and lower front braces and a rear ARB, I have a quick rack and I might go for the R32 front too.

I will be getting IP to do the weitec kit and some poly bushes next month too.

It feels good now, it'll feel amazing by the time it's done.

The thing I want to get rid of the most is the play when at high but varying revs in a fast tightening corner.

There is one on my run to work and the steering wheel feels like is is moving towards and away from me and possibly like the engine/gearbox is moving a bit.

Might need a set of engine mounts and a dogbone.

I must say I instinctively felt like 4x4 was "better" but after getting straight out of my 16v 1.3 Suzuki swift into my friend's 4x4 car with the exact same spec and found it to be tons less fun.

It was permanent 4x4 too so no haldex inconsistency.

I am a convert.

i have never found my octavia to be inconsistent, not in the slightest and in fact more consistent and sure footed than my mazda which is permanent AWD.

and anyway none of these passenger rides will happen as the car will have a boost/oil/air leak or misfire etc etc etc

lol

well it will prob go thru the oil faster than the petrol lol.

Sorry Des, still cant get over you runnin back to the shell place.

but so what the red devil looks like a hoot no matter how much oil it goes thru.

On track how many times are you not rolling. I wouldn’t know about the life span of tyres as I have never gone through a set on track, maybe the car is too well set up. :P

Straight line traction is obviously better on a 4x4 (below 30), not so on a bend though as grip goes out the window on the edge i.e. 4 wheel drift. Don't know if it's the ESP, it just feels like it. :confused:

The reason why the Octavia 4x4 can deal with changing road surfaces is down to it's electrickery but by doing so slows the car down to bring it under control. Weather it's the ESP or the Haldex, I’m not sure.

Sorry but the 4x4 is to easy to drive fast, it's just not as quick as the RS when it's on the edge. Next time we are at a meet I will prove it to you.

Track sessions tend to be short so you are unlikely to trash a set of tyres (Jon might be the exception ) If you watch BTCC it prooves the point, the Seats tyres are fooked at the End, The BMW's arent, all that scrabbling for grip kills them. Over a period of time a high powered 2WD car will gobble up its front tyres faster than others.

4WD is easier to drive quickly, agreed but also safer. I built my car to do Cannonballs etc & thats why I went 4WD, one of the legs was always around 1000-1200 miles, many of the others 4-500. The thought of fighting a 2WD car for that length was not one I wanted to endure. I saw to many 2WD cars fall off the road due to a lack of skill & traction. We never won but we did get second once, beaten by a 4WD Audi.

Ive done a couple of "European Gentlemens driving holidays"in the 350Z since & whilst it has nearly 500 bhp you are constantly wondering where the back is going next, it means you end up driving at 80-90%

I would still agree that on the track overall in skilled hands 2WD will be quicker on low to medium powered cars but we still see high powered Evo's & Scoobs doing well in time attack & the like where the ultimate power is to much for a 2WD Saloon

I guess its as always down to personal preference, I just prefered to have something that could take most of what was thrown at it in its stride & still make rapid progress. If I wanted a track car for a 20 minute blat & adrenolin rush then a stripped out 2WD would possibly be my choice. having flirted with 2WD the next car may well be 4WD again