Buy mine .... give you a good deal

You sound like one of those foreigners who follow you down the street with some foreign tat :rofl:

You sound like one of those foreigners who follow you down the street with some foreign tat :rofl:

:D:D

Actually, I am only kidding, I do really like my MBP, but have just found some limitations in it's capability. That said it is fast, does what it says on the tin and looks pretty cool with the unibody ally construction and the backlit keyboard. My only 2 gripes are the screen when compared to regular laptops and the slow disk's used by apple.

OSX is a good operating system, but no better in anyway shape or form than Windows, and consider the number of platforms windows has to support and dodgy hardware

I just love the fanboys and the windowz crew (no offence Stu )

A lot of people buy apple because it's a fashion accessory and they only really need a simple £200 netbook / laptop to surf the net and check email. Apple products are good, but not perfect

Be warned however that the higher capacity drives use more power and the faster drives use more power so a bigger, faster drive is going to use a good amount more power than the old drive so you could get quite a bit shorter battery life.

Should have that one covered Mark

Seagate Momentus 7200.4 500GB 7200RPM SATA-II 16MB Cache - OEM

he Seagate® Momentus® 7200.4 drive delivers the highest available capacity and performance in a laptop hard drive and draw only .05 percent more power than a 5400-RPM laptop drive.

Should have that one covered Mark

Seagate Momentus 7200.4 500GB 7200RPM SATA-II 16MB Cache - OEM

I have the same one in mine, £78 from Ebuyer iirc, which is more or less the same price. It is as good as it says on the tin Stu.

I've read a few report of people using them in the MBP so hopefully all will be good.

Just not sure when to buy it, it'll be just my luck I'll go over and pick it up and the price will drop the following week. I'm ok for space at the moment so I may sit tight.

I've read a few report of people using them in the MBP so hopefully all will be good.

Just not sure when to buy it, it'll be just my luck I'll go over and pick it up and the price will drop the following week. I'm ok for space at the moment so I may sit tight.

I was running low on space since moving over to the mac for all my photo cataloging and editing after buying the dslr.

Got myself into the silly postition of carrying the camera everywhere I go and the MBP is inside the Kata Rucksack so end up taking a few pics in raw and then filling up the disk

Well I think my mbp has given up after about 2.5 years. Wierd grpahics glitches and now it's a no boot.

I do actually like the mac. It's got some great dev tools for me, but I could run linux.

I could run windows, but it's.... I don't know harder?

Anyway I was just pricing up a new lappy, I'm really torn over a compact 13" rocker or a 17".... I'm mobile now, and it's really annoying having the big old desktop , the lappy, on the go, remember to synch etc...

Anyway we'll see, but the good thinkpad prices are about the same as the slinky mac ones...

Oh and linux, dam it if I dont get tired updating deps or source compiling, it's just gets in the way of coding. But it is the very best cost effective route without a shadow of a doubt! Just need to tell myself a few more times.

Go with the 15" or 17", i think the 13" will be too small personally.

Why not just run linux and windows in bootcamp and have the best of all worlds?

I chose the 13" for portability and for me I find the screen more than adequate.

I'm finding browsing so much more a pleasure than in IE and much slicker too.

The extra battery life is a real boon and there are other nice touches along with that such a visual battery life indicator in the top tool bar which also then indicates the time required to charge the battery when you plug in.

I really like the fact that when I lift the lid it's running, end of story - no waiting for it too boot like windows, even out of so called standby.

So many of the neat touches could be employed by PC manufacturers but they simple choose not too the MBP power lead is magnetic, trip over the lead and it just falls out without sending your machine tumbling to the ground. How many laptops fail due to duff power connectors, quite a few!!

I get soo used to the gestures function on the track pad that when I switch back to windows I find it frustrating not to have it.

Here's the guide for the drive swap on i-fixit folks.

Installing MacBook Pro 15" Core 2 Duo Models A1226 and A1260 Hard Drive Replacement

Takes about 30 minutes tops and then a full restore from time machine took around 90 minutes. Top banana!

Well i have to disagree with some of the comments. I have used every windows OS since W95 and all are (imho) greatly flawed. Im not saying OSX is perfect (no OS ever will be) but i can't think of a Windows OS that can get anywhere near it

Windows 7 (imo) is just Vista with a new GUI (it even has the same bloody startup sound) i am currently using it on BootCamp.

My fiancee has it on her Windows Laptop (which was my old one and was a £1800 Toshiba machine about 18 months ago. W7 is still using the same Architecture (or whatever its called) as Vista as was so eloquently pointed out at the Apple WWDC. Many articles i have read in PC magazines an on the net think it is really just a Major Service pack for Vista. Windows 7 is supposed to be faster etc however on Startup it was only 3 secs quicker and it is the same for starting up Microsoft Office apps

My MBP is way way way quicker on both and on a whole host of other stuff. I can let my fiancee start her laptop. Wait for the windows 7 sound and then start up my MBP and i am still on the net before her.

Apple may not be the best company in the world, I am certainly no fanboy and didnt buy my MBP as a fashion accessory. I bought it because i was fed up with constant patching, crashes, reboots, tweaks to this and that. I wanted a laptop that just worked all the time.

The ONLY reason i have W7 on it is for VCDS, Revo and some work stuff. Everything else i have found a solution for in OSX

I have used 3 different Apple Stores (Belfast, London & Trafford Centre) and every single time the staff have bent over backwards to help out. even when i asked (what must be to them) some really stupid questions being a new Mac user. They were only to happy to help. One guy even gave me an hour tutorial there and then on iMovie.

I know Windows is a victim of it's own success and it has far more hardware and platforms to support. But Apple Computers really are something else and like there slogan........They just work.

Carl:thumbup:

I know Windows is a victim of it's own success and it has far more hardware and platforms to support. But Apple Computers really are something else and like there slogan........They just work.

Carl:thumbup:

It's all there... Windows has to work with billions of combinations for hardware and software using fairly open standards (open meaning used by many companies as opposed to Open Source). There are combinations which are unreliable, as is to be expected.

Apple software works with Apple hardware. If there were errors you'd be p*ssed! By controlling the market they claim to "... just work". But only because they control their own market.

Carl

Go and ask the helpful apple store to upgrade your hard disk The one I did this weekend for a mate an Apple reseller quoted him £490 to replace the 200GB drive with a 500GB, I did it for £100 including the drive.

As Bab's points out and I did earlier, Windows has to work with many combination's of platforms and as for the apple wwdc talking about 7 and vista, they seem to have conveniently forgotten that OS X is just another rip of Linux, so lot's of invention there.

I enjoy using my MBP, but no more than I do Windows 7. It's good at some stuff, not so good at others. People can spout about MS and anti competition, great, it's Microsoft, let's have a pop at them but which Browser is bundled with OS X? which is the default browser? answer = Safari. You need to either use terminal or download an application to CHANGE your default search engine in Safari (even then you can only use Google), not with IE, you have complete freedom to choose your engine.

You can only buy OS X with Apple hardware, hmmmmmmmm that sounds like they like a bit of competion, why not release OS X and alow other manufacturers to put it onto their platforms? (Apple just got one cloner closed down in the US and are having a push against others)

I love my iPhone, but why do I have to jailbreak it if I want to use 3rd party apps? out of the box I can only use the app store, there are thousands of free / shareware applications out for Windows mobile and a thriving community on XDA Developers, why do Apple "frown" on this type of thing.

Apple products are good, that much I would agree with, but an MBP is no better in reality than a good specced Vaio, and iMac's are a peice of disposable ****e (ps Apple want £800 to upgrade an iMac to 8GB RAM .... where is it coming from? Allah's **** or somewhere?)

This debate could / can / will go on forever, I use OS X, Open Source and Windows products, but prefer Windows, it has faults and I accept those faults, but the Mac Fanboy "Windoze" haters don't accept Mac's have any faults, won't listen to reasonable arguments and I swear 90% of them have them because they are fashionable items.

Here endeth the sermon

I never said OSX or Apple were without faults.

I also said it is only my personal opinion having used windows OS's for over 15 years and every single one of them has caused me frustration on numerous occasions. I Certainly don't hate windows it just frustrates me. I have better things to be doing with my time than taking a few hours to sort a problem out. Wether due to lack of Skill or knowledge i don't really care. I'd rather not have the problem in the first place.

At this present moment in time the only frustration caused by my MBP & OSX(touch wood!) is knowing where to look to get stuff. I could quite readily do this with windows and i'm sure in time i will be able to with Mac & OSX.

Granted a lot of the stuff Apple charge for is stupendously expensive. But so is PC World. Most computer technicians charge circa £50 just to look at your PC/Laptop and that's before they charge for parts and Labour.

As i also stated, which has been highlighted by Babs, I understand that windows has billions of hardware/platform combinations to work on. Hence the reason i bought an Apple. They control the market there software works on so i know if i buy a piece of Apple hardware it's going to work with OSX

As for £800 for 8GB of ram. Im assuming (so don't shoot me down in flames if this is wrong) that they cost so much because you would need 2 x 4GB sticks. Also it's DDR3 not DDR2 and i haven't (although i haven't looked hard) been able to find anywhere that sells DDR3 4GB sticks to compare the price. But i reckon, Seeing as DDR3 for normal memory is the new big thing, that they are fairly expensive! £800 is debatable but they will still be expensive. As for doing this in an iMac i'm not sure how many Ram Slots there are im assuming it's 2 same as the MBP's

As for Safari, I personally have never had a problem with it. I use google as my search engine anyway so im not fussed.

If Windows really is so Good why did you buy a MBP? As a fashion Accessory? (I'm just curious not having a dig :P)

Look at it another way. Would you rather own a windows based or apple based car? Yes the windows car would be highly customiseable and 70% of the time would be great. However 30% of the time it would be sat on the drive whilst you installed a patch,service pack, fixed a problem.

Or would you have an Apple car which, whilst less customiseable by the end user, worked 99% of the time.

I'd rather pay for the peace of mind

I know Apple stuff have faults (i just havent found any yet :P) but for the majority of users their lives would be soooo much easier on a mac (im only speaking from personal opinion and experience).

Here endeth the counter sermon :P:P

Carl:thumbup:

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First started building PCs when I was 12-13... and I've only once had a catestrophic fall-over. And that was last year, and I (and others with the same problem) blame ATI.

Windows has always worked fantastically for me!

First started building PCs when I was 12-13

Maybe that's why?

You obviously know your way around a PC better than most.

As i said. I don't hate Windows or Microsoft.

I just think the MBP & OSX are a far more accomplished combination than Windows & any other machine

Carl:thumbup:

I just found this

MacBook Pro DDR3 Ram

£540 for an 8GB kit.

So yes £800 still expensive. As for where Apple get the other £260 i don't know. But i wouldn't want to start prising apart a unibody MBP

The cost is the same for an iMac but i don't know how easy they come apart.

Carl:thumbup:

Carl

Go and ask the helpful apple store to upgrade your hard disk The one I did this weekend for a mate an Apple reseller quoted him £490 to replace the 200GB drive with a 500GB, I did it for £100 including the drive.

Technically your Apple Authorised Reseller should not be touching any apple hardware in that way, it will void the warranty and they are not 'qualified' to do it. Authorised resellers are just that, people who are authorised to sell Apple products, i know i was one!

Only Authorised Service providers are allowed to do such things. Its daft i know, but that how apple like it

If you man was a service fella then he would have to buy the parts from apple, then charge for labour, hence the very high price.

8GB - £275 direct from Crucial, so the fruity markup is £525

I just found this

MacBook Pro DDR3 Ram

£540 for an 8GB kit.

So yes £800 still expensive. As for where Apple get the other £260 i don't know. But i wouldn't want to start prising apart a unibody MBP

The cost is the same for an iMac but i don't know how easy they come apart.

Carl:thumbup:

Technically your Apple Authorised Reseller should not be touching any apple hardware in that way, it will void the warranty and they are not 'qualified' to do it. Authorised resellers are just that, people who are authorised to sell Apple products, i know i was one!

Only Authorised Service providers are allowed to do such things. Its daft i know, but that how apple like it

If you man was a service fella then he would have to buy the parts from apple, then charge for labour, hence the very high price.

Reseller / authorised repair centre ... not sure which, I just know matey boy was shocked at the price mate.

AFAIK Win7 isnt simply a revamped Vista. Much of the core programming has been changed.

Remember that Vista was built on a Server 2003 base

As above, apple control their market and supply chain so you dont get [as many] issues. If Apple was the dominant OS, you'd have all the problems windows users suffer (ie viruses).

I use all 3 major OS's, windows, OS X, Linux and i can see the ups and downs of them all. You have to pick the OS thats best for you, personally i prefer OS X over all of the others i just find it a nicer experience overall. Saying that, i use windows XP more than any other :P

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