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PD170: 6th gear: a wall at 4K rpm

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What the hell was the topic??? :D

Something about hitting a wall when flat out in 6th gear

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Back on topic then......

I often find hitting a wall at 4K revs in 6th gear doing 138mph in my low performance, tractor engined TDI is a right PITA on my daily drive to work and whilst out and about on business/family drives. I often think "god if only I was in my old TFSI, then I'd be hitting the same wall at around 6k revs doing about 145mph, what a difference that would make to my driving pleasure"...... I then go home and slap myself around the face with a wet fish as punishment for buying such a slow and sluggish non-performance car..........

I read something a while ago about the number of cows that 'go through' McDonalds in the uk alone every year and the number was staggering. When you take Burger king, wimpy etc into account that's an enormous amount of (cow based) CO2 - look at that on a global scale and it's crazy.

If 4.2 cows kick out as much CO2 in a year as a family car does in 60k miles (4 - 5 years) then the fast (junk) food industry is having a far bigger impact globally than just obesity!

The 4k wall........

what mpg do you get at that speed?

Diesel / Petrol........ I've had both a TFSI Vrs and now a Tdi 170 Vrs, 90% of the time I prefer my current Diesel, 10% of the time I miss the outright pace of the Petrol compared to the diesel. Based on the percentage of the time I can't go faster than the car in front of me, diesel's a winner..... bring on the DPF Delete and remap for the other 10% of the time :D

You obviously haven't. The only two deisel engines I've experienced that are "all nothing-nothing-BANG-change up" are the 1.9TDI PD 130bhp and the 2.0TDI PD 170bhp. The 2.0TDI in 140bhp guise is very smooth and progressive, as are all the modern Derv engines from BMW

Explaining your thoughts?

"It's a diesel, if you want high speed get a proper car"

"It's got a tractor engine" etc, etc, etc..............

Real deep thinking and critical analysis there Babs :rolleyes:

Plenty of diesels out there capable of getting to 60mph in less than 7 seconds and with top speeds of 140mph .... I'd say that was quite a quick car, may not be as fast as some petrols, but still faster than a lot, and in this day and age of high fuel prices and road tax an option for the keen driver to "have their cake and eat it"

I pride myself in my deep thinking and critical analysis, thank you :)

Given the choice (i.e. no factors of fuel price/insurance/tax/environmentalists), keen drivers would choose petrol.

I'd tried to put this down, and the thread then turned into a reasoned discussion (and I thank those that participated). It seems a few are just reading my earlier comments and disregarding everything else, thus digging everything back up again! Well done :thumbup:

The bottom line is, I hate diesel (and I note it powers other things I hate, trucks, trains...). That's all there is to it. I prefer petrol.

Now get down from your "I loves teh torques and low imishuns" high-horse and just get on with driving it if you like it so much :)

Do what you want, it's only my opinion after all! And who am I to stop you doing what you want? That would be fascism... which is where this country will head if it carries on down the route it's on now! So before it happens, I'll enjoy my petrol. :rofl:

Now get down from your "I loves teh torques and low imishuns" high-horse and just get on with driving it if you like it so much :)

When I have I ever said anything relating to emissions (I couldn't care less, however appeals to a lot which is what I referred to) or torque? In fact I do believe I stated that my favourite engine is petrol powered?

All I have done is point out that in reality your small minded comments (at the start of this thread and in numerous others) are, in fact, based on SFA.

Did you go to the Daily Mail school of deep thinking and critical analysis BTW?

When I have I ever said anything relating to emissions (I couldn't care less, however appeals to a lot which is what I referred to) or torque? In fact I do believe I stated that my favourite engine is petrol powered?

All I have done is point out that in reality your small minded comments (at the start of this thread and in numerous others) are, in fact, based on SFA.

Did you go to the Daily Mail school of deep thinking and critical analysis BTW?

No, I didn't. I'm self-taught. I works better that way. My comments are based on my own experience. If you've experienced different then so be it. My comments aren't based on your experience.

Anyway, this is all pointless. You enjoy your derv, I'll enjoy my petrol :)

The PD130 is a cracking engine when it has a proper turbo on it, when i fitted my hybrid turbo there was no BANG and change up. Gearing was flexible, i could get near enough the same speed out of each gear as a 6 speed TFSI.

Plenty of diesels out there capable of getting to 60mph in less than 7 seconds and with top speeds of 140mph .... I'd say that was quite a quick car, may not be as fast as some petrols, but still faster than a lot, and in this day and age of high fuel prices and road tax an option for the keen driver to "have their cake and eat it"

QED

my little diesel was capable of 60 in under 7 seconds,embarrased lots on track,now i am back in a petrol i have realised all my fabias giant slayings were down to my driving god like skills,the car was pants:rofl:

It's all very well saying " IF petrol and diesel engined cars cost the same to run.....''

In that dreamworld yes I'd have a TFSI over the PD170,.... noise, engine smoothness etc.

Unfortunately, in the real world, this is not the case - You spend your money and make your choice, with the amount of driving I do, Diesel is the fuel for me (at the moment)

I'm a petrol head at heart, but my daughter is 1 next week and my wallet's priorities have changed some what as I start to think about providing for her future :cool::thumbup:

My comments aren't based on your experience.

Just as mine aren't based on yours :)

All I'm saying is just because someone posts a positive comment relating to the performance of a diesel car dosen't mean you have to jump in with some of your less "in depth" comments.

Enjoy your petrol, and I'll enjoy my TFSI when I can afford another one :)

If there where not so many Tofu eating beardy soap dodging hippy vegetarian's around we would be in a better place.

You called?

I suppose I could shave off my beard it would help save the planet. :D

You called?

I suppose I could shave off my beard it would help save the planet. :D

I thought you could maybe smother it in cream and let the cat lick it off :)

You coming to the next meet at the Stretton Fox mate, I have that "Disk" I promised you, just took me about 10 years to get round to it :)

I thought you could maybe smother it in cream and let the cat lick it off :)

You coming to the next meet at the Stretton Fox mate, I have that "Disk" I promised you, just took me about 10 years to get round to it :)

Yuck, I don't like cats. Aaatchoooo, they make me sneeze, not as much as mexican pigs though.

Nope, I'll be at Bingley music festival that weekend, going to the Malt House tomorrow, if you could get one of your NW neighbours to act as courier :thumbup:

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Hi Genoa

The 4000rpm wall is since the last update. VAG built in this "limiter" to protect the 170 PD engines.

Even with updated (or uprated) files the car will still run not much faster. Or you will need a long stretch of autobahn with the help of a slipstream or going downhill.

It is said though, that there is a later version that will not have this limiter anymore. But I only read about a few members that said so.

My car runs up to a little more than 4200 and will not go past this point unless I have a car in front of me or it will go slightly downhill. If so, I can still reach (if the autobahn is free enough) up to over 4500 (indicated). 4200 is about 4000 according to the EMFA.

Grts from the states

Mike

Hi, Mike it was a stupid software (read stupid AND software together) problem, now solved.

Ciao,

HI Stefano

Was the problem a Skoda problem or a modified software problem?

Cheers

Mike

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