The 1.2TSI, as already seen in the Yeti and Polo and soon to be filtered out across the VW Group, will replace the 1.6 petrol in the Octavia from early next year.

Same power as the 1.6 but more torque (175nm) over a lower and wider rev band. Will give about 50mpg

The 1.2TSI, as already seen in the Yeti and Polo and soon to be filtered out across the VW Group, will replace the 1.6 petrol in the Octavia from early next year.

Same power as the 1.6 but more torque (175nm) over a lower and wider rev band. Will give about 50mpg

Good. I see it's just been put in the Golf too, replacing the 1.6 102bhp.

The 1.2TSI, as already seen in the Yeti and Polo and soon to be filtered out across the VW Group, will replace the 1.6 petrol in the Octavia from early next year.

Same power as the 1.6 but more torque (175nm) over a lower and wider rev band. Will give about 50mpg

Thought the 1.4TSi had already replaced the 1.6.

Did notice on the VW UK website that the new Polo 1.2TSi is only available in the top trim level (SEL) and no DSG option.

Thought the 1.4TSi had already replaced the 1.6.

Did notice on the VW UK website that the new Polo 1.2TSi is only available in the top trim level (SEL) and no DSG option.

i think the 1.4 tsi replaced the 1.6fsi (113bhp), while the 1.2tsi is replacing the 1.6 102 and 105 (the latter in the Polo at least, so assume in the Fabia too shortly)

Thought the 1.4TSi had already replaced the 1.6.

Did notice on the VW UK website that the new Polo 1.2TSi is only available in the top trim level (SEL) and no DSG option.

How's your 1.4tsi going by the way, Bassa. I hope your still enjoying it

How's your 1.4tsi going by the way, Bassa. I hope your still enjoying it

So far very pleased with it, unbelievable motor for its 1.4 capacity, it never fails to amaze me with its torque and performance coupled with overall mid forties to the gallon. As to the 7 speed DSG, it and the TSi are, in my opinion, perfect partners. Must say for the money it is hard to imagine a better car.

PS Hope the cheque is in the post Mr Skoda !

Edited 11 December, 200916 yr by Bassa

1.2 will be a bit under powered for such a heavy car.

A 1.2 in a Octavia? What the hell is the point, get a fiesta for ****s sake.

Might aswell get the 1.9 diesel if you want decent economy.

1.2 will be a bit under powered for such a heavy car.

Yeah, you will have to rag it to even get it to move.

I'm sure I remember a top gear episode where they had that horrible skoda people carrier thing with the smallest engine and it drank fuel because it had to be revved so hard just to get it to move.

Edited 13 December, 200916 yr by luke_a

A 1.2 in a Octavia? What the hell is the point, get a fiesta for ****s sake.

Might aswell get the 1.9 diesel if you want decent economy.

Yeah, you will have to rag it to even get it to move.

I'm sure I remember a top gear episode where they had that horrible skoda people carrier thing with the smallest engine and it drank fuel because it had to be revved so hard just to get it to move.

The turbocharged 1.2TSi is superior in every way to the normally aspirated 105 ps 1.6. It produces the same maximum power of 105 ps but at 600 rpm less but the major difference is in the torque figures. The 1.2 TSi has a wide power band and makes 175 Nm between 1500 rpm and 3500 rpm whereas with the 1.6 it is 153 Nm but not until 3800 rpm. Emissions-wise, the TSi is 149 g/km against the 1.6's 165g/km which translates to a saving of £50 p.a.based on current UK VED rates. Fuel consumption quoted for the 1.2 TSi Yeti, which is less aerodynamic than the Octavia, is quoted as 44.1 mpg for the combined cycle so it is reasonable to expect more from the Octavia. It is also the more refined engine of the two.

As to your "get a Fiesta" - Ford's 1.25 Duratec engine makes 82 ps, 114 Nm of torque and that's only in their 'higher performance' model of the two available.

The 1.2 TSi is in a totally different league and would be well capable of providing more than adequate performance with the Octavia.

Edited 13 December, 200916 yr by Bassa

I think that 'horrible people carrier thing' was in fact a Roomster 1.4TDI - driven gently it will return excellent fuel economy, rag it and keep in third and it'll do 30 to the gallon. No doubt it was staged and set up to achieve the outcome Clarkson wanted, its getting very boring now.

I had a 1.4TDI Fabia not so long ago and it didn't hang about.

A 1.2 TSI in an Octavia isn't a problem either, if you are a low mileage driver after something economical and don't want the premium carried by diesel engines then its the one to go for. If you want a fast Octavia get a vRS.

@ the ignorance of some people on this thread!

Across the whole VAG range:

The 1.2 TSI replaces the 1.6 16v - with the same power, more torque, better economy and better emissions.

The 1.4 TSI replaces the 1.8 16v - with the same power, more torque, better economy and better emissions.

The 1.8 TSI replaces the 2.0 16v - with the same power, more torque, better economy and better emissions.

It's still a bit underpowered for the Octavia. I had the pleasure of driving a 1.4 VW Lupo for several years, that thing weighs nothing and you had to wring its neck to get it to move - forget about overtaking anything doing 40 in a 60.

thought a 1.2 in an octavia would be underpowered tbh but i shall wait and see lol

What almost all of you arent taking into account is, its not the engine size that matters, its the fact these new engines are simply newer and more efficient, making more power across the range compared to the engine they replace. This is thanks fo the fact they are Turbo charged, which gives them a healthy amount of Torque, which is what will move your car!

What that also means is, I would almost Guarantee that each one of these will have between 15-30Hp easily obtainable from a simply remap without negative effects on reliability or fuel economy! another thing you couldnt get with the old engines, tunablilty!

The 1.2 TSI will never set your trousers on fire, but it will be a very reasonable car, after all it's got the same power as a 1.6 but more torque. And combined with more MPG and reduced emissions.

No brainer, tbh!

Although some people obviously have less than no brain on this thread

It's also got the same amount of bhp as the 1.6TDi which hasn't been described as being underpowered in any of the reviews from their owners.

Like Babs said, the 1.2 TSi will never set your trousers on fire, however, anyone wanting to buy one probably doesn't have this quite so high on his/her list of priorities.

It's still a bit underpowered for the Octavia. I had the pleasure of driving a 1.4 VW Lupo for several years, that thing weighs nothing and you had to wring its neck to get it to move - forget about overtaking anything doing 40 in a 60.

Patience is a virtue

Must say I never had a trouble overtaking anything (including Boxsters...) in my 1.4 Lupo

Must say I never had a trouble overtaking anything (including Boxsters...) in my 1.4 Lupo

That weights how much less than an Octavia?

Even though you are defending the 1.2 petrol, you still wouldn't buy it. Most people on here seem to have the VRS or something else which goes like **** off a shovel, so I can't see too many takers for it.

It may well perform as well as the 1.6, but if you told someone you had a 1.2 they would take the ****... if you want economy go for the TDI.

Even though you are defending the 1.2 petrol, you still wouldn't buy it. Most people on here seem to have the VRS or something else which goes like **** off a shovel, so I can't see too many takers for it.

You're right there, many of us wouldn't buy it luke, that doesn't mean we can't defend the sense of it, or that lots of other people will buy it.

It may well perform as well as the 1.6, but if you told someone you had a 1.2 they would take the ****... if you want economy go for the TDI.

Do you drive a skoda?!?!? I know that when I tell people I drive a skoda, people take the ****, but I know I'm driving a VW/Audi. Same reasoning here with the 1.2TSi and it's power and people's perception of a 1.2 engine.

I even have people think I have a poor engine when I tell them it has a 1.4TSi. Again, doesn't bother me as I know what performance I've got under my hood.

As for economy and TDi, a lot of people want the economy, but don't do the mileage to......

a. Justify the increase in purchase price.

b. Keep the DPF free. This is the reason I bought the 1.4TSi

That weights how much less than an Octavia?

About a quarter! Lol - I was giving it some on the South Wales twisties

Even though you are defending the 1.2 petrol, you still wouldn't buy it. Most people on here seem to have the VRS or something else which goes like **** off a shovel, so I can't see too many takers for it.

It may well perform as well as the 1.6, but if you told someone you had a 1.2 they would take the ****... if you want economy go for the TDI.

I would! I've got my quick car, and I don't like tractor fuel so I'd gladly have a 1.2 TSI as my daily.

[sarcasm on] Wow, my dads Focus is a 2.5 and an F1 car is only 2.4 so his car must be faster. I'll just go and phone him [/sarcasm off]

Buying a 1.6 cr or 1.2 tsi means you don't go for the last bhp. In my case, coming from a 1.9 atmospheric diesel, the 1.6 cr is a big improvement on all levels. I'm quite happy with it. And that's what matters. And I don't know for you all, but it still was an attack on my budget. If you chose for a 1.2 tsi, on paper equalling of better than the 1.6 mpi, you made the right decision. You wan't it to go faster? Go for the 1.4 or 1.8 tsi.

We drive a Skoda and have to defend our choice time and time again to others stating that 'in fact it's a VW", and yet some of us (= Skoda owners) seem to look down on Skoda owners of a 1.6 cr or a 1.2 tsi. What a strange world we live in. Is that what they call the picking order?

Buying a 1.6 cr or 1.2 tsi means you don't go for the last bhp. In my case, coming from a 1.9 atmospheric diesel, the 1.6 cr is a big improvement on all levels. I'm quite happy with it. And that's what matters. And I don't know for you all, but it still was an attack on my budget. If you chose for a 1.2 tsi, on paper equalling of better than the 1.6 mpi, you made the right decision. You wan't it to go faster? Go for the 1.4 or 1.8 tsi.

We drive a Skoda and have to defend our choice time and time again to others stating that 'in fact it's a VW", and yet some of us (= Skoda owners) seem to look down on Skoda owners of a 1.6 cr or a 1.2 tsi. What a strange world we live in. Is that what they call the picking order?

Some 911 owners probably look down on Boxster owners.

Some R8 owners probably look down on TT owners.

Some Polo owners probably look down on Fox owners.

It's going to happen and it is not unique to Skoda.

FWIW I would think a 1.6CR would have plenty of go, and a 1.2 fine under most circumstances, but some either want more go or want to stir the gearstick less (I fall into the latter), I am a lazy driver.

Edited 16 December, 200916 yr by foo