Apparently this is possible but I've Googled and I'm buggered if I can find anything. This would give brownie points with the boss who's got a Scirrocco and wants to use an iphone............

Apparently you CAN pair non - RSAP and still get the handset download etc.

No you cant. The RSAP kit is not a traditional headset.

The RSAP phone kit is in all but name, a mobile phone. The only thing bluetooth is used for is to read the SIM and contact data from your phone. When connected the RSAP phone makes and recieves all the calls, in other words the connected phone is not used at all and has its mobile radio turned off. The benefits of this approach include better call quality, and better signal as the aerial is on the roof of the car.

It is possible to connect non RSAP phones, but there must be a piece of software written for the phone that emulates RSAP. For example, its possible to pair unsupported windows mobile based phones by installing an app called BT_SAP.cab.

To pair the iphone, either apple of another developer will need to write some code to emulate rsap. More and more phone vendors are supporting RSAP, so it should only be a matter of time before the iphone gets there.

No you cant. The RSAP kit is not a traditional headset.

The RSAP phone kit is in all but name, a mobile phone. The only thing bluetooth is used for is to read the SIM and contact data from your phone. When connected the RSAP phone makes and recieves all the calls, in other words the connected phone is not used at all and has its mobile radio turned off. The benefits of this approach include better call quality, and better signal as the aerial is on the roof of the car.

It is possible to connect non RSAP phones, but there must be a piece of software written for the phone that emulates RSAP. For example, its possible to pair unsupported windows mobile based phones by installing an app called BT_SAP.cab.

To pair the iphone, either apple of another developer will need to write some code to emulate rsap. More and more phone vendors are supporting RSAP, so it should only be a matter of time before the iphone gets there.

Yep, I know the differences but apparently you CAN pair the iphone with an RSAP kit and still get phone book download etc without the hardware functionality

Yep, I know the differences but apparently you CAN pair the iphone with an RSAP kit and still get phone book download etc without the hardware functionality

I'm keen to understand how this can be achieved, do you have any more beans to spill?

I am disappointed, as my iPhone is shocking wherever there is an area of poor signal. As I often travel through rural Wales, my iPhone is by and large pretty useless - therefore I thought that the "Premium" kit would make a lot of sense. Alas, I have an "iPhone" which will not connect via. rSAP.

There is a real potential advantage here with the Premium kits, as you get a "proper" aerial in the car, and a phone system which works.

I have two years to run on a Vodafone contract, and an iPhone which I rather like, but clearly isn't going to work any time soon. Steve Jobs if you are listening, get your act together - rSAP might be a Nokia standard, but EMBRACE it... Nokia have been making phones for a long time and know a thing or two - your toy is wonderfully shiny, but functions horribly as a phone when there is poor signal.

Now, just out of academic curiosity....

If you had an old Nokia in the Jumbo box, with it's power on switch wired to say a "Parking Assist" button (as this would have a nice P for phone and fit in the dash", and you could then either manually transfer the sim between the two (which is horribly unelegant) or have a copy of the SIM card in each, and just switch one off before you switch the other one. It seems though as if this would be naughty for all kinds of reasons.

Phone cloning is outlawed in the United Kingdom by the Wireless Telephone Protection Act of 1998, which prohibits:

knowingly using, producing, trafficking in, having control or custody of, or possessing hardware or software knowing that it has been configured to insert or modify telecommunication identifying information associated with or contained in a telecommunications instrument so that such instrument may be used to obtain telecommunications service without authorization.

There is a thread here:

http://www.mobilebanter.co.uk/uk-mobile-phones/38491-legally-duplicating-sim-card.html

Bentley (also a VW group company) do a Bluetooth system which has a SIM reader... so it would just be a case of shuttling the SIM back and forth...

Either way, would be nice if someone comes up with a decent solution for iPhones and the Premium kit.

I am disappointed, as my iPhone is shocking wherever there is an area of poor signal. As I often travel through rural Wales, my iPhone is by and large pretty useless - therefore I thought that the "Premium" kit would make a lot of sense. Alas, I have an "iPhone" which will not connect via. rSAP.

There is a real potential advantage here with the Premium kits, as you get a "proper" aerial in the car, and a phone system which works.

I have two years to run on a Vodafone contract, and an iPhone which I rather like, but clearly isn't going to work any time soon. Steve Jobs if you are listening, get your act together - rSAP might be a Nokia standard, but EMBRACE it... Nokia have been making phones for a long time and know a thing or two - your toy is wonderfully shiny, but functions horribly as a phone when there is poor signal.

Now, just out of academic curiosity....

If you had an old Nokia in the Jumbo box, with it's power on switch wired to say a "Parking Assist" button (as this would have a nice P for phone and fit in the dash", and you could then either manually transfer the sim between the two (which is horribly unelegant) or have a copy of the SIM card in each, and just switch one off before you switch the other one. It seems though as if this would be naughty for all kinds of reasons.

Phone cloning is outlawed in the United Kingdom by the Wireless Telephone Protection Act of 1998, which prohibits:

knowingly using, producing, trafficking in, having control or custody of, or possessing hardware or software knowing that it has been configured to insert or modify telecommunication identifying information associated with or contained in a telecommunications instrument so that such instrument may be used to obtain telecommunications service without authorization.

There is a thread here:

http://www.mobilebanter.co.uk/uk-mobile-phones/38491-legally-duplicating-sim-card.html

Bentley (also a VW group company) do a Bluetooth system which has a SIM reader... so it would just be a case of shuttling the SIM back and forth...

Either way, would be nice if someone comes up with a decent solution for iPhones and the Premium kit.

I don't think its Jobs that needs to listen to the market but Nokia themselves. They changed from the standard Bluetooth previously and tried to take the market with them and failed miserably just before the Bluetooth standard came out and that back fired. My iphone has connected to pretty much everything I have asked it to and I am on my 3rd handset with no issues. Its about time ALL the German manufacturers started to follow a standard to allow a wide range of devices to connect to there cars - never had an issue with Honda's in the past but always get issues with German manufactured produced cars.

Can we get back on topic guys!!