Does anyone know anything about the HHC function ?

The Yeti user manual mentioned it, but I dont know how tu use it...

Or this function is may be a part of different package ...

What is your experience ???

Does anyone know anything about the HHC function ?

The Yeti user manual mentioned it, but I dont know how tu use it...

Or this function is may be a part of different package ...

What is your experience ???

Try driving up a slight gradient. Come to a stop using the foot brake. Release the footbrake and the car will stay in position for a few seconds without rolling back. It gives you time to make a hill start without having to hold the car using the handbrake unless you stop for more than those few seconds. Quite a useful feature apart from around my way where hills are not that common

Hi,

in the UK the HHC function is only standard on the top Elegance 4x4 trim level and optional on the SE 4x4. Works very well but I've still managed to stall it a couple of times while trying to start off on particularly steep gradients; need a few more revs to overcome the initial hold of the brakes.

Regards,

TP

in the UK the HHC function is only standard on the top Elegance 4x4 trim level and optional on the SE 4x4.

Also standard on the 1.2 DSG, 2WD regardless of trim level (S and above). Works really well alongside the automatic. Stop on a hill, hold the car on the foot-brake. Release the foot-brake, and you've got a couple of seconds to get on the accelerator to pull away, and saves it being help on the automatic's clutch.

Edited 22 May, 201016 yr by tarbat

Also it needs quite a firm press on the pedal to set. I am very used to it now and will need to watch my step when driving a "normal" car. I too have stalled the 140TDI engine on a number of occasions but not with the hill start - old habits die hard!

Also standard on the 1.2 DSG, 2WD regardless of trim level (S and above). Works really well alongside the automatic. Stop on a hill, hold the car on the foot-brake. Release the foot-brake, and you've got a couple of seconds to get on the accelerator to pull away, and saves it being help on the automatic's clutch.

Thanks tarbat,

had a feeling the 7 speed DSG included HHC, although I think the 6 speed does not

Regards,

TP

Also it needs quite a firm press on the pedal to set. I am very used to it now and will need to watch my step when driving a "normal" car. I too have stalled the 140TDI engine on a number of occasions but not with the hill start - old habits die hard!

Hi Terfyn,

mine appears to set with a normal application of the brake pedal when coming to rest. Not had many stalls myself usually operator error; wrong gear or too few revs v clutch operation

TP

Does anyone know if this hill hold control option can be enabled or "retrofitted"? I picked up my Yeti from the dealership's showroom because the dealer offered me a good discount and the car had almost all the options I needed. One of the few missing is the HHC. In my understanding the HHC is just a software feature of the ABS, all the hardware should already be in place. Unfortunately, my dealer said they do not do upgrades to factory options. Maybe something like VCDS could help?

There's some comments regarding HHC I just made on the winter tyres thread.....it does have it's drawbacks.

What's wrong with the handbrake anyway?

There's some comments regarding HHC I just made on the winter tyres thread.....it does have it's drawbacks.

Could you please post a link here? (UPD yep, found it My link) What I am seeing there right now is a discussion of HDC (which I guess stands for Hill Descent Control) which I already have in my Yeti.

What's wrong with the handbrake anyway?

The handbrake is alright The reason I'd like to have the HHC on my car is that I drove cars with HHC about two years ago in Germany. I liked this feature and didn't notice any drawbacks in it.

Edited 18 February, 201214 yr by briskycat

No real big drawbacks as such, but I wouldn't go out of my way to retrofit it personally.

I doubt it can be retro-fitted as I think the brake module is different.

Does anyone know if this hill hold control option can be enabled or "retrofitted"? I picked up my Yeti from the dealership's showroom because the dealer offered me a good discount and the car had almost all the options I needed. One of the few missing is the HHC. In my understanding the HHC is just a software feature of the ABS, all the hardware should already be in place. Unfortunately, my dealer said they do not do upgrades to factory options. Maybe something like VCDS could help?

Some Audis can enable Hill Hold, a bit like Cornering Fogs on the Yeti - it appears that the capability is there as standard but you pay £140 to get Cornering Fogs as an option or find a friendly VCDS user to enable them for a minute fraction of that cost after delivery!

Some Audis can enable Hill Hold, a bit like Cornering Fogs on the Yeti - it appears that the capability is there as standard but you pay £140 to get it as an option or find a friendly VCDS user to enable it for a minute fraction of that cost after delivery!

This option costs even less here - the equivalent of £63 (while the car itself with equivalent trim level costs roughly the same money). Which makes me think this is no more than marketing. Thanks for the info on Audis, Sandy!

This option costs even less here - the equivalent of £63 (while the car itself with equivalent trim level costs roughly the same money). Which makes me think this is no more than marketing. Thanks for the info on Audis, Sandy!

Have amended my original post because I thought it might be mis-read - can you check it again please and make sure that's what you thought it meant first time roun? :p

can you check it again please and make sure that's what you thought it meant first time roun?

Looks like the forum upgrade process also affected your edits. I have just looked at the Optional Equipment list for the Yeti at skoda.co.uk and found that it is the 'Cornering front fog lights' option that costs £140, and Hill hold control is offered for £95. But that only proves the point that the capability is likely to be there and just needs to be enabled somehow.

Edited 20 February, 201214 yr by briskycat

Hi Terfyn,

mine appears to set with a normal application of the brake pedal when coming to rest. Not had many stalls myself usually operator error; wrong gear or too few revs v clutch operation

TP

I would agree that it needs a much firmer than usual push on the brake pedal to activate the hill hold - a very useful feature in these parts.

Thanks tarbat,

had a feeling the 7 speed DSG included HHC, although I think the 6 speed does not

Regards,

TP

The six speed DSG I have in my 140 CR does have HHC.

All DSG's appear to have HHC in the Yeti range, which makes sense as they behave even more Auto like.

I would agree that it needs a much firmer than usual push on the brake pedal to activate the hill hold - a very useful feature in these parts.

I was amazed to read that some have to brake harder than normal to activate the hill hold. So I tried it today. I applied the brake just enough to hold it on an incline (quite steep, by the way) and let it off. Sure enough, it held without rolling back.

So my HHC works on the lightest of touches :sun:

I was amazed to read that some have to brake harder than normal to activate the hill hold. So I tried it today. I applied the brake just enough to hold it on an incline (quite steep, by the way) and let it off. Sure enough, it held without rolling back.

So my HHC works on the lightest of touches :sun:

I've just tried mine again and it certainly doesn't work with a light touch - a firm push is needed!

The six speed DSG I have in my 140 CR does have HHC.

Hi Johann,

Yeti Elegance spec has HHC across the board as standard, however other models did not at the time of writing unless 7spd DSG.

HHC is a feature I like myself, had it as an option on the last Yeti and on the wife's Fabia, although that mysteriously stopped working for a week or so in the first few months of ownership. However it sorted itself out before the dealer had chance to look; been fine since touch wood.

Regards,

TP

So my HHC works on the lightest of touches :sun:

I know mine is a DSG but the HHC also works on the lightest of touches. A fantastic feature in my book. Just don't let your kids learn to drive in a car with HHC!!!

I've just tried mine again and it certainly doesn't work with a light touch - a firm push is needed!

The manual says: "The system assists a start off by holding the brake pressure produced by the brake pedal actuation," which suggests that the amount of hold is related to how hard you are pressing the pedal before you let go. So if you're in neutral with the handbrake on, then a gentle tap on the brake pedal to "set" the Uphill Start Assist won't have much effect if you're on a steepish hill. You really need to have transferred completely from holding the car on the handbrake to holding it on the brake pedal for Uphill Start Assist to work properly (if you're the sort of old fart like me who was taught to use the handbrake - something which almost seems to be taboo for a lot of drivers these days ).

The situation is confused mightily by Skoda UK (not a great surprise), who call the feature Hill Hold Control in the brochure, whereas the manual calls it Uphill Start Assist. Further adding to the confusion, SUK also describe a function of the Off-Road button in the brochure which they call Uphill Start Assist, but their description actually conflates the operation of two separate functions which the manual calls Uphill Start Assist (part of ESP) and Start-Off Assist (a function of the Off-Road button).

I must admit that I am not convinced by Uphill Start Assist. The system in my old Subaru seemed easier to use - IIRC it held the car stationary until you started to release the clutch. If you didn't have enough throttle as you let the clutch out then you started to feel the car roll back and the instinctive reaction was to adjust the clutch-throttle balance to compensate - you weren't fighting to overcome a braking force, just adjusting to the hill by "feel" like you would normally anyway. According to the Yeti manual, the Skoda system reduces brake pressure as you increase pressure on the accelerator, which feels ass-backwards to me. It doesn't have the same kind of user feedback mechanism as the Scooby; the way the hold just cuts out after two seconds can take you by surprise and actually disrupt your instinctive synchronisation of clutch and throttle IMO. If nothing else, I think you certainly have to learn/get used to it.

I suspect that the linkage to the brake pedal pressure is a contributory factor in the reports from a fair few new Yeti drivers (me included) about stalling. If you have to stop more suddenly than you expected (ie applying heavy brake pressure), and then move off again soon after, you need to give it more berries to overcome the heavier brake pressure from the sudden stop (which is being retained by Uphill Start Assist). So you need significantly more throttle to get the car moving then you would expect just given the steepness of the hill. Again, it seems to conflict with the way you would instinctively operate the the controls. (Of course, better anticipation would avoid that, but we can't all be perfect 100% of the time.)

If Uphill Start Assist is in fact just a software feature then I could even be tempted to see if it was possible to get it turned off!

Edited 24 February, 201214 yr by ejstubbs

The Tiguan system that I tried in 2009 appeared better, in that the brakes held (by pressing the pedal) no matter how long you where stationary, until you moved off. This feature could be turned off or on as required by the push of a button near the electronic 'handbrake' leaver.

TP