Hi all!

I'm looking to replace my Jeep Patriot with an Octavia to do a large number of largely motorway miles (Daventry to High Wycombe and back every day). Looked at the VRS or an Elegance spec, decided Elegance is more comfy for that cruise - seats on VRS not quite big enough for my backside! Apparently there was one 140 2.0 CR in the UK to be bought new but gone by the time dealer went to place order.

So, should I wait the long wait or get a PD? If I got the PD engine I'd like spend the same amount of cash and get the L & K spec, the memory mirrors and seat will be useful as every day my other half will take the car from High Wycombe to Maidenhead for her job, after I do the Daventry/Wycombe stint.

I figure you guys know a lot more about these engines than I can find elsewhere so all help gratefully received!

Many thanks

wow, thats a long commute! mine is an 80 ml round trip from wycombe to hatfield

my car is the octavia l&k. 2l pd dsg. i find it very comfortable and a good drive at normal cruising speeds. having said that when you rev it a bit it is harsh sounding. i havent driven a cr diesel yet. (test drive booked for next saturday as it happens). from talking to cr drivers, they say it is more refined. the best thing is to test one of each and see which you prefer.

I did drive the VRS which has the 170 CR, and that was a much nicer drive, but it also had the DSG box, which I didn't think I'd like but I do very much!

I may just end up with the VRS and hope the seat wears down to be more comfortable...

No brainer - CR trumps PD any day of the week - certainly in vRS guise anyway

Depends on what you want out of the car.

My 130PD has loads more 'get up and go' from very low down revs then either of the 2 CR's i have driven (both the 140 and 170).

The CR may be a quieter, more refined engine, but this comnes at a price (doesn't everything!) this being the loss of the huge 'push into the back of the seat' torque the PD has, it is slightly less economical than the PD.

If you have never owned a PD then i would say go for the CR, but if you have then you need to accept that the CR will take a bit of getting used to. (the 170CR actually felt slower to mne than my 130PD)

Having ordered an Elegance Estate in PD 140 guise, my build ended up being week 22 and therefore the CR140.

I was worried about how it would drive compared to the grin inducing PD, but have been pleasantly surprised.

Definitely quieter, smoother, more power at low revs, more power higher up the rev range and defi.itely more predictable. I found the PD often spun away power when trying to pull out quickly - the smoother delivery definitely makes this easier.

Only down-sides are the lack of the silly PD surge moment, harder to hear the engine (have stalled once due to being too low in second).

Not sure on economy yet as not properly tested.

Of course, I saved £125 in first year road tax, and will save £35 per year. Down side is that it does have a DPF which the PD 140 allegedly didn't...

Definitely worth trying both if possible as you might feel differently

Hope it helps

Steve

, it is slightly less economical than the PD.

If you have never owned a PD then i would say go for the CR, but if you have then you need to accept that the CR will take a bit of getting used to. (the 170CR actually felt slower to mne than my 130PD)

The CR is actually more efficient than the PD (well in the 170 spec it is).

Also the reason the 170 felt slower is not because it is slower than your 130 (unless you have it chipped) but because of the power delivery. Since it is more progressive it does not feel as fast (no sudden surge) but ultimately it will be faster as you have more grip etc. I had the PD170 and now have the CR170 and I would not go back to the PD.

I may just end up with the VRS and hope the seat wears down to be more comfortable...

That's exactly what I did. Traded up from Elegance to VRS and don't regret it for a moment. Seats are good on a long drive IMHO.

The CR is actually more efficient than the PD (well in the 170 spec it is).Also the reason the 170 felt slower is not because it is slower than your 130 (unless you have it chipped) but because of the power delivery. Since it is more progressive it does not feel as fast (no sudden surge) but ultimately it will be faster as you have more grip etc. I had the PD170 and now have the CR170 and I would not go back to the PD.

Agreed. the CR is much more refined, and quicker IMO than the PD, it builds speed much more smoothly and I often find myself travelling faster than I thought I was. Initially I was concerned about the DPF but I've had no problems at all so far, If any do develop in the future and it becomes troublesome then I can always have it removed. I had thought about another PD but I'm glad I switched, I would have regretted staying with the PD.

I moved from a PD Ibiza to the CR Octavia and there was a huge difference in the power delivery, noise levels and fuel consumption.

PD has a sudden surge then dies away whereas the CR seems to pull smoothly through the rev range. The low down surge however has been boosted by the Shark Performance remap i now have on the car. Has the surge then the smoothness up the rest of the revs.

The noise levels in the CR are much better than the PD and im getting around the same economy from my vRS than i was getting from my PD100 Ibiza.

I may just end up with the VRS and hope the seat wears down to be more comfortable...

Get the leather option on the vRS. The seat bolsters are less pronouced and don't dig in, in the same way they do with the standard trim.

Having just swapped from a non f/l vRS PD to a f/l vRS CR with leather, I'd say the seats are much more comfortable in the new car.

As for PD vs CR, it's too early to say much on the performance (new one only collected yesterday) but the engine is certainly smoother and more refined.

Get the leather option on the vRS. The seat bolsters are less pronouced and don't dig in, in the same way they do with the standard trim.

Or buy standard and get a Seat Surgeons job done and save about £300 ?

Get the leather option on the vRS. The seat bolsters are less pronouced and don't dig in, in the same way they do with the standard trim.

Having just swapped from a non f/l vRS PD to a f/l vRS CR with leather, I'd say the seats are much more comfortable in the new car.

As for PD vs CR, it's too early to say much on the performance (new one only collected yesterday) but the engine is certainly smoother and more refined.

I did see on some of the pictures that the leather seats looked to be different, will definitely have to find one to check now! Were the standard seats changed in the facelift at all, or have they been the same spec throughout?

Brimma, what's this Seat Surgeons thing you speak of?

Many thanks all for the replies, most helpful!

Or buy standard and get a Seat Surgeons job done and save about £300 ?

The full leather is only £800 (actually around £600 with the no VAT offer). I thought a full leather refit by place like Seat Surgeons cost more than this (certainly would be more than £300-£500). Now the leather may be better quality (depending what you spec) and you can chose the design/colour but do not think you will save much if not maybe costing you more.

Mr Logic- Seat Surgeons is a company that do interiors etc. and fit leather covers to any seat.

Cool, thanks. I guess that gives me the option to try the normal seats, if that's all I can find, and then get them to fix the issue should there be one!

I traded in my 05-plate Elegance estate (PD engine) - great car - for the latest version (CR engine) in April. It certainly is much quieter and altogether much more refined BUT the consumption has increased from an average 55mpg to 44mpg, over the same journeys in the same conditions. That adds up to about £1200 over 5 years at today's fuel prices! Has anyone else found the consumption of the CR engine to be disappointing - and how did you resolve it please.

well my local dealer has managed to source a VRS estate for me, so that's ordered... wait for delivery now!

BUT the consumption has increased from an average 55mpg to 44mpg, over the same journeys in the same conditions. That adds up to about £1200 over 5 years at today's fuel prices! Has anyone else found the consumption of the CR engine to be disappointing - and how did you resolve it please.

This was also my understanding that my consumption will go from an average of 50mpg to around 45mpg ..... time will tell - just another 15 weeks left to wait

I traded in my 05-plate Elegance estate (PD engine) - great car - for the latest version (CR engine) in April. It certainly is much quieter and altogether much more refined BUT the consumption has increased from an average 55mpg to 44mpg, over the same journeys in the same conditions. That adds up to about £1200 over 5 years at today's fuel prices! Has anyone else found the consumption of the CR engine to be disappointing - and how did you resolve it please.

I am getting 45 or so on my CR140 already and that has only got 400 miles on the clock. This is about the same (if not slightly better) than my PD170 with 30k on the clock. Seems strange you are getting so low consumption with the CR140. The CR engines are also a lower tax bracket than the PDs and this is based on CO2 emmissions (directly linked to fuel efficiency) so the CR should be more efficient than the PD. How many mikes have you done on the CR and how many miles was on your PD?

I get between 60 and 65 according to maxidot on my new L&K 2.0 CR 140 Estate and I've only done 1200 miles so far.

Got over 600 on the last tank!

I traded in my 05-plate Elegance estate (PD engine) - great car - for the latest version (CR engine) in April. It certainly is much quieter and altogether much more refined BUT the consumption has increased from an average 55mpg to 44mpg, over the same journeys in the same conditions. That adds up to about £1200 over 5 years at today's fuel prices! Has anyone else found the consumption of the CR engine to be disappointing - and how did you resolve it please.

How did you get a CR engine in April? I thought they weren't building them until May...

I'm getting similar economy to you in my vRS with DSG and to be fair I'm happy with that as my right foot appears to be made of some heavy substance... On the few times I've driven sensibly I'm getting high 40s or even low 50s...

I can easily get into high 50's with my CR - but that's on days where I am driving in economy mode.. i.e. cruise control at 66/68mph

My regular style of driving - 74/76/78 ish (indicated) returns 49-50MPG.

I much prefer the CR to the PD for its refinement and smoothness (I have had both types of engine in the vRS).

Overall mpg on the CR is a couple of mpg up on the PD and getting better. For the last 1700 miles or so have averaged an indicated 47 mpg (45 mpg worked out).

I much prefer the CR to the PD for its refinement and smoothness (I have had both types of engine in the vRS).

Overall mpg on the CR is a couple of mpg up on the PD and getting better. For the last 1700 miles or so have averaged an indicated 47 mpg (45 mpg worked out).

Just to update you guys - I'm now up to 5500mils on my CR140 estate and it is still only doing about 44-45mpg. I do not drive it hard, maybe I should? My PD equivalent was consistently 10mpg better all the time. But it is a great car nonetheless :yes:

I'm still averaging low 50's into work

However work will soon be 5 miles away - so I wont get into the 50's anymore.

Still, I'll only be buying one tank a month now instead of one a week