Will the Euro 6 Diesel standards see the end of the diesel engined car?

This stringent standard requires all kinds of things fitted to the engine to achieve these standards which will add to the purchase cost of the vehicle.

Your views?

I've got a feeling it is going to make it very difficult to make the engines viable, many cities have imposed restrictions on diesel engines in city centers. Had seen an article which suggested that anything smaller than a 2.0 diesel would not be economically viable due to the technology needed. Plus how reliable will it be, egr valves, injectors, dmf and dpfs are enough of an issue without the potential for needing extra additives to bring down soot and nox emissions. Surely more efficient turbo petrol engines are going to take over in terms of small engines with diesel reserved for larger cars.

I am a huge fan of diesel but I feel the environmental benefits of even a Euro 5 engine are outweighed by the environmental cost of producing it.

The modern day diesel engine is so complex that it has little advantage over a modern day petrol engine.

My next Roomy will not be diesel - it will have the excellent 1.2TSI engine (and DSG)

It depends on what power you want, on the samller output engines it seems to be getting closer, however, higher output diesel is still way ahead. May look closer on paper, however, real world the larger petrols seem to suffer more.

I hope all diesels get phased out. The new VRS is a blessing. Diesel is the fuel of agriculture, keep it that way. If VAG spent the money on petrol units we'd be in a much better position. Be alot quieter too. Trust

I hope all diesels get phased out. The new VRS is a blessing. Diesel is the fuel of agriculture, keep it that way. If VAG spent the money on petrol units we'd be in a much better position. Be alot quieter too. Trust

Well everyone is entitled to an opinion. Ignorance is bliss eh?

Different fuels are good for different things as you have pointed out however you don't seem to have a vary balanced view at all as diesel has far more to offer everyone than being just a fuel of agriculture. Who would be in a better position? You? Lot of people in the owlrd have different needs to you.

There are plenty of other pro's and cons and it comes and goes in cycles. Petrol development is about to outstrip diesel development for a while then the other way but there are a few things to remember:

Fact = Diesel has a higher calorific value than petrol so it and derivatives such as bio based solutions will be key going forward as it's far more bang for the buck

Fact = Petrol has it's days numbered by the fact we cannot grow it.

Your only young though, when your needs change you will probably understand.

Edited 24 July, 201015 yr by Decron

Petrol has not had it's day. Certainly not in your lifetime! There's more oil to be had than they're letting onto. I will have to accept my opinions do not count due to my age as stated by yourself apparentley. Also the fact that 80% of users on this forum own diseasels. It's a no win situation lol

Petrol has not had it's day. Certainly not in your lifetime! There's more oil to be had than they're letting onto. I will have to accept my opinions do not count due to my age as stated by yourself apparentley. Also the fact that 80% of users on this forum own diseasels. It's a no win situation lol

Petrol and to an extent diesel as we know it has about 10-20 years left, I am not that old and the expense of getting that oil will make petrol too expensive for mere mortals like ourselves to afford hence we will find alternatives come into play...

Your opinion is your opinion and I never said it didn't count it I just didn't agree and was pointing out you clearly have a very blinkered outlook.

Also the fact that 80% of users on this forum own diseasels.

I doubt this is true, however most people who day they don't like diesel usually have a good reason rather than just saying it's no good and it should be phased out. They put a bit of substance behind their convictions rather than just being all mouth. Like it's been said, it has greater appeal that you seem to realise.

It's a no win situation lol

What exactly are you trying to win? Troll contest?

Edited 25 July, 201015 yr by Decron

Petrol and to an extent diesel as we know it has about 10-20 years left, I am not that old and the expense of getting that oil will make petrol too expensive for mere mortals like ourselves to afford hence we will find alternatives come into play...

I'm not sure about the 10-20 years - hope you're wrong on that - but I agree absolutely that the expense of getting the stuff can only go up.

Look at the problems BP have in the Gulf - if Obama lets them drill any more wells there again, you can bet it will only be if there are umpteen expensive safety mechanisms around it. It stands to reason that the oil companies will have used the easiest and cheapest oil reserves first, and even if there is more oil to be extracted, it will be in the reserves that are harder (and more expensive) to use

I hope all diesels get phased out. The new VRS is a blessing. Diesel is the fuel of agriculture, keep it that way. If VAG spent the money on petrol units we'd be in a much better position. Be alot quieter too. Trust

Didn't know Babs was back on here

As for the EU6, I think the EGR will get dumped in favour of using AdBlue and that's the real problem with modern dervs IMHO.

Edited 25 July, 201015 yr by cheezemonkhai

As for the EU6, I think the EGR will get dumped in favour of using AdBlue and that's the real problem with modern dervs IMHO.

I don't really want to be bothered with AdBlue. I am hoping that by the time EU6 comes in technology will be in place to provide the required result without using additive.

I agree, however, that it looks like small diesels will become too expensive to be cost effective.

Stewart.

I don't really want to be bothered with AdBlue. I am hoping that by the time EU6 comes in technology will be in place to provide the required result without using additive.

I agree, however, that it looks like small diesels will become too expensive to be cost effective.

Stewart.

I'd far rather put a bottle of AdBlue in the car every tank of fuel than have an EGR system.

I'd far rather put a bottle of AdBlue in the car every tank of fuel than have an EGR system.

I run a 16v CDTI and I would have to say the same. Bloody EGR is nothing but trouble.

Ok decron, ok! Gimmie a V6 over a TDie anyday boy! Just work harder man come on.

I hope all diesels get phased out. The new VRS is a blessing. Diesel is the fuel of agriculture, keep it that way. If VAG spent the money on petrol units we'd be in a much better position. Be alot quieter too. Trust

Surely companies should be stopping working on Petrol and Diesel completely, and start looking at alternatives.

If the whole industry put its weight behind one technology, then surely that would be better than petrol/diesel engines getting progressively more expensive, with only tiny benefits.

Petrol is easily replaced (in the engine) by ethanol, Diesel is easily replaced by bio-diesel.

Producing them in large quantities is a problem but not insurmountable.

I think we'll get electric for short/city journeys and bioethanol for longer faster sportier cars biodiesel for commercial vehicles.

Necessity is the mother of invention.

I've seen but can't find, big versions of this in a desert somewhere with big coils of veg oil generating algae.

Edited 29 July, 201015 yr by Aspman

Petrol is easily replaced (in the engine) by ethanol, Diesel is easily replaced by bio-diesel.

Producing them in large quantities is a problem but not insurmountable.

I think we'll get electric for short/city journeys and bioethanol for longer faster sportier cars biodiesel for commercial vehicles.

Necessity is the mother of invention.

I've seen but can't find, big versions of this in a desert somewhere with big coils of veg oil generating algae.

That's cool, but you're missing the Delorean to go with it?

VAG already have a Euro 6 compliant engine in the Audi Q7 ( 3.0 Liter diesel) that is more economical than its' predecessor . Not sure when it first ships.

I probably won't have another Diesel as they are getting too complicated and the DPFs mean aggro for those who do a lot of town work. This is why a lot of the taxi drivers around my way are going for the Prius. Interesting article in this weeks Autocar saying that small capacity turbo petrol is the way to go in the near future.

Edited 30 July, 201015 yr by Matt Bodycombe

Some interesting comments here. What do you think will happen with drivers of older diesels such as Euro5, Euro4 and older, do you think the Government will hike road tax costs to the extreme?

Some interesting comments here. What do you think will happen with drivers of older diesels such as Euro5, Euro4 and older, do you think the Government will hike road tax costs to the extreme?

Nope, as Road Tax is based on Co2 output. The Euro 6 specs are aimed at NoX and particulates.

For those interested you can compare the different euro standards here; http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/eu/ld.php

The biggest drop is seen in NOx which is easily reduced with SCR. I doubt that by the time it becomes standard that an AdBlue pump and injector will add that much to the cost of an engine.

I wouldn't worry for now.

I have just read in Autocar this week about the new Euro 5 emissions coming in next year. It will become mandatory for all cars to comply from next January.

Say goodbye to:

Ford's 2.5 turbo 5 cylinder, (Focus ST & RS)

Honda's VTEC (CTR, etc)

Rotory in the RX-8

VAG 5.0l V10 TDI

Also the 3.2l V6 in the Alfa Brera.

Edited 22 August, 201015 yr by Jim H

I have just read in Autocar this week about the new Euro 5 emissions coming in next year. It will become mandatory for all cars to comply from next January.

Say goodbye to:

Ford's 2.5 turbo 5 cylinder, (Focus ST & RS)

Honda's VTEC (CTR, etc)

Rotory in the RX-8

VAG 5.0l V10 TDI

Also the 3.2l V6 in the Alfa Brera.

I would be very surprised if they were not working on it !

So expect further developments .

...

Also the 3.2l V6 in the Alfa Brera.

That's been binned already - no new orders being taken. 1750 Turbo petrol engine replaces it.