ok guys i am having Jason from more bhp.com come over to remap my vrs and one for a customer on thursday, he looks to have good reviews on the web and has been doing it for a few years now.

he has said that he can do a few on the day so if anyone else wants one let me know. £199 a car

it will be at Overton Service Station ludlow (skoda specialist where i work) sy8 4ad.

i guess i'll prob be flamed for having a "cheap" remap but hey

Very tempting! But the killer for me is the rise in insurance premium :( Having asked before I just know they will murder me for it. Let us know how good the remap is though pal! Hopefully money well spent

He's a top bloke, mate of mine had a postal remap from Jason and he offered to come all the way down from Cheshire with a replacement ECU when we couldn't get the car working and it turned out my mate had pulled out the immobiliser fuse

Their generic remap drives ok but no idea what it's really like as we haven't got round to getting the car dyno'ed with graphs.

good luck 220bhp (according to their website) seems a little optimistic.

He's a top bloke, mate of mine had a postal remap from Jason and he offered to come all the way down from Cheshire with a replacement ECU when we couldn't get the car working and it turned out my mate had pulled out the immobiliser fuse

Their generic remap drives ok but no idea what it's really like as we haven't got round to getting the car dyno'ed with graphs.

yes i have heard nothing but good about him so far..

madmike..being a rally man i'm not too interested in the "pub talk" figures but more interested in the real world driving effect but yea reasonable to expect 200 tho yes?

My mates one came up at 213bhp on my liquid gauge and ran something like 207 on a proper rolling road (AmD in Essex) although he didn't get anything other than a BHP plot from AmD so no idea what it was doing.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/147469-postal-remap-anyone/page__p__1842702__fromsearch__1entry1842702

220bhp is custom remap territory, perhaps they do a custom map and were referring to that?

Edited 27 July, 201015 yr by chicken_eyebrow

The power output of a car has nothing to do whether it's been loaded with a "custom" or a "generic" map.

A properly developed so-called "generic" remap as people seem to like to call them, is going to be 1000% better than someone "custom" mapping your ECU by changing a load of stuff they don't understand.

Our "generic" stage 2 for 150/180bhp K03s engined cars is good for 225+hp and we have it tested at 251hp.

The power output of a car has nothing to do whether it's been loaded with a "custom" or a "generic" map.

A properly developed so-called "generic" remap as people seem to like to call them, is going to be 1000% better than someone "custom" mapping your ECU by changing a load of stuff they don't understand.

Our "generic" stage 2 for 150/180bhp K03s engined cars is good for 225+hp and we have it tested at 251hp.

Well put (and i did consider coming to you for one too but cant quite afford that sort of money sorry).. i would think all he is going to do is check the car is running fine then load up a map bought from elsewhere that has been proven (hopefully) to be safe still.

having spent many hours "mapping" rally cars on the likes of OMEX and DTA etc i can see the potential for someone to really do some damage on a turbo car if they "think" they know what they are doing.. jason seems to have a good rep and suits my needs at the moment (ie coming to me to do it instead of me having a day off work)

No problem, I wasn't directing the comment towards Jason at all, just sticking my oar in about the generic/custom naming of things because for tuners who work really hard on development, this recent obsession with categorising everything as either "custom" or "generic" is quite grating.

It's not a "recent obsession", I've been on these forums for over 2 years and maps have always been "custom" and "generic".

Maybe we should start just calling them "stage 1" if they are designed for a car with no mods or "stage 2" if for a car with supporting mods? As that would be just the same thing. Jabba have no qualms about it: http://www.jabbasport.com/remaps.php

Don't take offence.

Edited 27 July, 201015 yr by chicken_eyebrow

yes it must be annoying when you have spent hundreds of hours developing a new map and making sure paremeters are safe etc for it to then to be called a basic map or upgrade etc purely because it is able to be fitted to anyone's ecu that has the same engine. its a side of tuning i would love to get into myself as it must be amazing the lengths that car manufactures go to to stop it happening now.

out of interest what is your take on the OE intercooler and its ability to cool. (i think it is quite well designed and more than capable for most upgrades)

It's not a "recent obsession", I've been on these forums for over 2 years and maps have always been "custom" and "generic".

Maybe we should start just calling them "stage 1" if they are designed for a car with no mods or "stage 2" if for a car with supporting mods? As that would be just the same thing. Jabba have no qualms about it: http://www.jabbasport.com/remaps.php

Don't take offence.

Nor was I directing the comments towards you in particular, but it was your post that triggered my reaction. I didn't intend to single you out, so sorry about that.

This is how I see it:

The perceived "Generic": edited with often no knowledge of the car or construction of the maps and thrown on to an ECU that hopefully matches that software number

The perceived "Custom": just about anything else, almost always done on the rollers

How it really is:

Generic: A map made for a particular ECU software revision which is safe to use to that level of tune (bolt on mods) on those cars (i.e. Stage 1, Stage 2). Often dyno tuned.

Custom: A map made individually for that car, usually due to certain modifications. Will cost lots of money.

Whether a company has a rolling road (and there are many different types of those) or not does not designate whether it is a custom or generic map.

A custom map doesn't mean it is better than a generic map. Nor does it mean that it'll make more power. A totally rubbish custom map, made on the dyno or not, is still rubbish. You should see the number of "2 minute tunes" we see, some supposed to be custom and some supposed to have even been tuned on a dyno. All they usually are is a sprinkling of +15% here and +20% there.

A very good, well developed generic map made by someone who understands how that ECU type works is 9/10 times a better map for the car.

Lastly, any tuner who tells you that every single map is done from scratch is either lying, charging you more than 99% of people would pay (over £1,000), or doing it all wrong and must be making a huge loss. The second two wouldn't be commercially viable, which only leaves one.

yes it must be annoying when you have spent hundreds of hours developing a new map and making sure paremeters are safe etc for it to then to be called a basic map or upgrade etc purely because it is able to be fitted to anyone's ecu that has the same engine. its a side of tuning i would love to get into myself as it must be amazing the lengths that car manufactures go to to stop it happening now.

out of interest what is your take on the OE intercooler and its ability to cool. (i think it is quite well designed and more than capable for most upgrades)

Given that we've achieved 251hp on the standard SMIC, I would say that it's perfectly adequate for any road car on the standard turbo.

No worries. I guess when you hear someone say "generic" it does make it sound like a bad thing but that's not necessarily the case

Not so long ago there were plenty of companies who offered "custom" maps (not naming any in particular but a certain one from Kent springs to mind) which were supposed to be tailored to the individual cars but to be honest they were probably just tweaked versions of a bought map.

Nor was I directing the comments towards you in particular, but it was your post that triggered my reaction. I didn't intend to single you out, so sorry about that.

This is how I see it:

The perceived "Generic": edited with often no knowledge of the car or construction of the maps and thrown on to an ECU that hopefully matches that software number

The perceived "Custom": just about anything else, almost always done on the rollers

How it really is:

Generic: A map made for a particular ECU software revision which is safe to use to that level of tune (bolt on mods) on those cars (i.e. Stage 1, Stage 2). Often dyno tuned.

Custom: A map made individually for that car, usually due to certain modifications. Will cost lots of money.

Whether a company has a rolling road (and there are many different types of those) or not does not designate whether it is a custom or generic map.

A custom map doesn't mean it is better than a generic map. Nor does it mean that it'll make more power. A totally rubbish custom map, made on the dyno or not, is still rubbish. You should see the number of "2 minute tunes" we see, some supposed to be custom and some supposed to have even been tuned on a dyno. All they usually are is a sprinkling of +15% here and +20% there.

A very good, well developed generic map made by someone who understands how that ECU type works is 9/10 times a better map for the car.

Lastly, any tuner who tells you that every single map is done from scratch is either lying, charging you more than 99% of people would pay (over £1,000), or doing it all wrong and must be making a huge loss. The second two wouldn't be commercially viable, which only leaves one.

Thanks for that Clears a few things up for me. I had my car remaped at a place with rollers just because I felt it was the best way to make sure the car is running perfectly, this highlighted a few weaknesses that I would have been none the wiser if it hadn't been on the rollers.

Given that we've achieved 251hp on the standard SMIC, I would say that it's perfectly adequate for any road car on the standard turbo.

but this was a car that had a massive spike of power and no guts up top right???

it is known that the k03s will not support 250bhp you should know that ben or the bloke that does your mapping will

it has been tried and tested on many cars using very aggresiive mapping on cars running high flow manifolds 1.9 bottom ends and high flow inlets and 250+ is still not achievable. so how you managed 251 bhp with standard side mount is beyond me and if i understand this right is it the same car that now need a new turbo???

He's a top bloke, mate of mine had a postal remap from Jason and he offered to come all the way down from Cheshire with a replacement ECU when we couldn't get the car working and it turned out my mate had pulled out the immobiliser fuse

Their generic remap drives ok but no idea what it's really like as we haven't got round to getting the car dyno'ed with graphs.

pmsl i had him do mine and he was tellin me about you lol n the fact it was a fuse been pulled out lol jason top bloke

but this was a car that had a massive spike of power and no guts up top right???

No.

it is known that the k03s will not support 250bhp you should know that ben or the bloke that does your mapping will

Well clearly it does, otherwise we wouldn't have had 251hp from it. The "bloke" that does our mapping will be at the open day for August Bank Holiday, why don't you come along and meet us, we'll take a look at your mapping for you?

it has been tried and tested on many cars using very aggresiive mapping on cars running high flow manifolds 1.9 bottom ends and high flow inlets and 250+ is still not achievable. so how you managed 251 bhp with standard side mount is beyond me and if i understand this right is it the same car that now need a new turbo???

No you don't understand it right. And clearly those who have tried it before haven't mapped the car in the same way that we did, simples.

No.

Well clearly it does, otherwise we wouldn't have had 251hp from it. The "bloke" that does our mapping will be at the open day for August Bank Holiday, why don't you come along and meet us, we'll take a look at your mapping for you?

No you don't understand it right. And clearly those who have tried it before haven't mapped the car in the same way that we did, simples.

1. i dont have a vrs anymore lol

2. what you are saying is your way of mapping is different to every other mapper out there??? companys that have spent ££££ in research and trial and mapped many a thousand cars and then along comes bens mate and manges to do what all these other mappers cant do and do something the turbo is not built to do????

p.s was it the same car that blow the turbo ???

how about some logs from this 251 bhp car would be good to see :p

p.s.s how do you map a car then ben???

Edited 28 July, 201015 yr by westallc

anything else to add ben???

1. i dont have a vrs anymore lol

2. what you are saying is your way of mapping is different to every other mapper out there??? companys that have spent ££££ in research and trial and mapped many a thousand cars and then along comes bens mate and manges to do what all these other mappers cant do and do something the turbo is not built to do????

p.s was it the same car that blow the turbo ???

how about some logs from this 251 bhp car would be good to see

p.s.s how do you map a car then ben???

I think I know which car you are referring to, which made 252bhp if I remember rightly, which I'm sure was not accurate. But no it was not that car, the 251bhp car that I'm referring to is a Mk1 Seat Leon Cupra AUQ.

I have posted our dyno plot of the Leon somewhere on here before, but I can't find it on this computer.

If you'd like to know more about how we map cars, why not come along to the open day and we'll show you exactly how. Either that or you can come and show us a thing or do, given that you seem to know more about it we do.

Edit: Found it.

Edited 29 July, 201015 yr by shark_90

ben a graph means nowt get some logs up of the car

the problem is ben how much do you know about mapping ????

you are the one claiming 251 bhp and a octy vrs running 252 bhp with your map on that has now blown its new turbo??? and the fact it was spiking power and was dead after 5k

i dont wanna cause trouble mate but you got to expect people questioning your power figures when you come on saying you have done something that many a tuner havent been able to do even after spending thousands doing so

i dont think im a guru but like to think i have an understanding of what is and isnt achievable....

you show logs of airflow ign advance boost ect etc then we can see from that how the map is working

this will have fuel logs ambient temps etc etc

this is the only way to see what the car is doing anyone can stick a graph up of silly power means nothing

the problem is ben how much do you know about mapping ????

Clearly less than you Clive

The invite's there, if you want to come up and talk to us feel free. I haven't said every car will make 250hp, I've said that one car did on rollers I trust. I didn't mention the Octavia because I didn't trust those figures and there's obviously something wrong with the turbo on that car. It didn't run any map for long and has been standard for most of the time that I've known the owner.

Edited 29 July, 201015 yr by shark_90

i undersrtand from other sources that mikko is one very clever guy when it comes to ecu and and understanding and de coding various faults codes in ecu's thats not what i have a problem with its your bold statements about getting 251 bhp from a k03s turbo

the engine is good for 250

the fueling is good for 250 but the turbo is NOT

a standard sidemounted car can be pushed to around the 220 bhp mark no further and this has been done by certain tuners

thus k03s have been pushed to the limit running race fuel aggresive maps etc etc and still not made that figure

what does mikko thng is achievable from his maps???

mybe saying what i said about what do you know came across rude thus was not the intention just i want to find out how you have done something that hasnt been done if you can back them up with logs etc etc then fair play

i think you are a good bloke ben and have done well it just i dont believe that 251 bhp claim i would have this same argument with other tuners im not just picking hole in your company buddy

was it oggys that died?