Test drove an Octy II with DSG - fabulous. Ordered one on Saturday and now I read all these Audi people having trouble with it. Is there anyone out there with a DSG Octy II - any problems so far?

Did you look at the cost in reduced acceleration and lower fuel efficiency as the price for this gear box?????

What reduced accelleration would that be?

There's certainly no reduced performance - in fact the performance is probably better than most ordinary (like me) people could achieve in a standard manual because it can change gear much faster. There's also no torque converter sapping all the power. In terms of fuel consumption on the DSG it's about the same - might be slightly higher because you're more likely to drive it more enthusiastically!!

My only concern is that I know the DSGs on the Audi TT (where it first appeared) have not been fault free. So the question is, is this an overall problem with the DSG box, or is it something that has since been rectified....?

I have a friend with a DSG TT.. no problems so far... has a nice "launch control" hidden in the software also

I have a friend with a DSG TT.. no problems so far... has a nice "launch control" hidden in the software also

Sounds very nice

I have a friend with a DSG TT.. no problems so far... has a nice "launch control" hidden in the software also

Reassuring - what's the age/mileage of the TT?

I am basing my post on the figures published by Skoda UK in their Octavia brochure. The same engine with the DSG box uses more fuel, has a lower top speed and takes longer to reach 100 km/h than with the proper manual gear box. Have had this discussion on here before, was doubted untill one of the main men on Briskoda went and checked his brochure.

Did you look at the cost in reduced acceleration and lower fuel efficiency as the price for this gear box?????

0 - 60 time is quicker with DSG.

The literature seems to be a bit all over the place here. The latest example I have seen is the brochure for the Octy II estate. That quotes identical top speeds and acceleration figures for both the manual and the DSG. It's also further confused by the fact that the petrol engines get a conventional auto (which I imagine would be slower and thirstier), whereas the diesels get the DSG. All I can say is that, having driven the manual and the DSG, there certainly isn't any loss of performance with the DSG box.

My only worry is that it's a very complex piece of kit, and its record in the Audi TT isn't unblemished, so I wonder whether it's just inviting trouble......

There's certainly no reduced performance - in fact the performance is probably better than most ordinary (like me) people could achieve in a standard manual because it can change gear much faster.

But presumably you can't do block changing with DSG :confused: So I for one doubt that I'll ever be able to drive a DSG car as quickly as I do a car with a normal manual shift...

Just done the first 3000 miles in a DSG'd 105PD. Faultless and an absolute pleasure to use. Returning about 51 mpg - mixed motoring.

But presumably you can't do block changing with DSG :confused: So I for one doubt that I'll ever be able to drive a DSG car as quickly as I do a car with a normal manual shift...

whats that?

whats that?

l would also like to know :confused: :confused: :confused:

But presumably you can't do block changing with DSG :confused: So I for one doubt that I'll ever be able to drive a DSG car as quickly as I do a car with a normal manual shift...

I assume you mean 1st-3rd-5th etc? I'd put money that DSG will go from 1st to third, including 2nd, quicker than you can

I assume you mean 1st-3rd-5th etc? I'd put money that DSG will go from 1st to third, including 2nd, quicker than you can

Sure, accelerating in a straight line, I wouldn't disagree, but if I'm coming towards a 30mph bend at 60mph in 5th, I'd brake and change from 5th to 4th, and then straight to 2nd as I was slowing down. It's what police drivers and advanced motorists are taught to do (you do need a bit of practice though). Having to go 5th-4th-3rd-2nd engaging the gear each time just can't be as fast. Likewise, on a normal road, I might accelerate from 30 up to 60, and make the block change in the opposite direction...

It's similar to the debates about the Fab vRS's relatively poor 0-60 time being a result of having to change gear twice, when may petrol 16v cars can get to 60 in 2nd, thus only having to change gear once...

Gearshift times for DSG are in the .03 to .04 second range, no one could possibly match that, and the revs do not even have time to drop. So this remark about DSG being laborious and uneconomical equates to a post response that has not been researched.

Des

SWMBO hates it when I do this, but I'm now going to change the tack of my argument slightly:

Can the Mk1 human arm make the required movement in .03 seconds? No. So the gear change times are limited by the time it takes the driver to actually move the gear lever, and so I still reckon that the fewer necessary gear changes the better in real-world driving. So I still stand by my assertions that DSG is only beneficial when accelerating in a straight line. I may be wrong, but it's my opinion, and I'm entitled to stick to it

What the **** is DSG in any case? Brochure made it sound like automatic gearbox? Do you have an ordinary lever, do you have a clutch pedal etc?

Absolutely....

And if any reflection, I would have agreed with you totally... up until I drove my friend's TT on track.

What the **** is DSG in any case? Brochure made it sound like automatic gearbox? Do you have an ordinary lever, do you have a clutch pedal etc?

Clutchless manual. You have two final drives, one for 1st, 3rd and 5th; one for 2nd, 4th and 6th. Both are engaged, but only the one selected is connected to the transmission. Hence you can change to the gear above or below with the need for a clutch. But you can't 'jump' gears to block change, which is what I have a bee in my bonnet about, and what everyone else seems to have proved me wrong about!

Having to go 5th-4th-3rd-2nd engaging the gear each time just can't be as fast.

Does it actually do this on the downshift though? Even the smart's one can figure out exaclty which gear to go in correctly on a downshift, and that's probably one of the worst reviewed semi-autos ever!

It's also possible to block change up in a smart too, but that's probably not really relevant...

Rob.

Absolutely....

And if any reflection' date=' I would have agreed with you totally... up until I drove my friend's TT on track.[/quote']

By the sounds of things, I need to forget my hang-ups and get my hands on a beastie with DSG fitted!

Semi automatic then. My friends ailing Merc A140 has this. I hated it when I took the car for a drive. Also what happens those times when you really need to press the clutch in such as in the last seconds of an emergency stop etc. Sounds like an overly complex bad idea to me.

Does it actually do this on the downshift though? Even the smart's one can figure out exaclty which gear to go in correctly on a downshift' date=' and that's probably one of the worst reviewed semi-autos ever!

It's also possible to block change up in a smart too, but that's probably not really relevant...

Rob.[/quote']

OK, OK, I've admitted I'm wrong! But the tip-tronic style semi-auto is COMPLETELY different to DSG (see my reply to Will's last post)

In the words of Michael Palin:

'Help! Help! I'm being repressed!'

(Just kidding, I like a bit of a barney from time to time! )