Therefore people are understandably cynical about them. I would suggest if you feel they can help you, that you buy some (when they are available), test them, and report back to the forum in a scientific way your findings

there is nothing understandably in people being cynical about things they don't comprehend. not to mention having no clue about how hard it is to market something that upsets big time potential international competitors...

I was just asking from the start about opinions from somebody USING them. I would have been more than happy to receive no answers, rather than get theoretical assumptions.

Please discuss in an impartial manner with no personal content, or the thread will be closed.

if you have a problem about distinguishing who started making derogatory remarks, then you are not so impartial as you should be... I could have also report flaming in a "sweet-tongue" way, but I am not a rat.

@Ravenskull

and who is "uncle fester" ? the father of all truth ? has he any proof for what he blabs ? oh, sweet naivety...

because judging by his 57 posts, it looks like he worked with all major inventors, from Tesla to Bedini...

UncleFester = Tad Johnson, an alternative energy afficionado.

Slightly more than 57 posts on an obscure forum, no? :wonder:

http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=402.60

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1310.0.html

http://72.52.145.132/renewable-energy/2242-water-sparkplug-40.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/10319362/water-spark-plug

http://hydrogengarage.com/pdf/chapter10.pdf

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/MKay5.pdf

http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg33226.html

Please, less of the attacks - i made no claims as to the veracity of his statements, despite the fact that such a well known figure in that field (See his work on Stan Meyer's water splitting fuel cell, for example), would never forfeit his reputation voluntarily the way. :wonder:

If you wish to insult me, feel free - i have a thick skin, as the saying goes.

But please, do your research first. That way no-one gets unjustly accused of trolling. :yes:

Edit:

The Firestorm website is for sale.

http://www.firestormperformanceproducts.com/

Edited 20 August, 201015 yr by Ravenskull

For anyone who enjoys a good discussion and reasoned analysis of this sort of thing, I'd recommend a read over at http://www.badscience.net, if you don't already.

I must admit, for someone with such a strong, well-intentioned (if misguided) dedication, Mr Krupa is a lot more likeable than most, and the way he undermines himself and manages to be unintentionally amusing is a welcome change, even if he doesn't do himself any favours by it.

 

there is nothing understandably in people being cynical about things they don't comprehend. not to mention having no clue about how hard it is to market something that upsets big time potential international competitors...

I was just asking from the start about opinions from somebody USING them. I would have been more than happy to receive no answers, rather than get theoretical assumptions.

if you have a problem about distinguishing who started making derogatory remarks, then you are not so impartial as you should be... I could have also report flaming in a "sweet-tongue" way, but I am not a rat.

You don't need to understand the particular "science" behind a so-called "invention" to know whether or not, it produces results in the real world. Marketing difficulty is probably inversely proportional to the step difference between the "invention" and current technology, so yes, of course the wackier your idea, the harder it it's going to be to market.

You must have known it was impossible to receive any opinion from anyone using an item not yet in production. Therefore that is plainly a ridiculous assertion.

The request for rational discussion was not directed at one individual but at everyone who has posted any personal remark in the thread. I recognise that is more than one individual. The request stands. This is the way Briskoda is moderated - for the benefit of all, not as any kind of personal censorship, unless you choose to make it so...

Now the science of getting more power out ,by a new spark plug is something I would like to see ,but as an old time self maintainer of my own car, I can't see just how it works,and it there's any financial benefits .

It smacks to me of a marketing ploy , something tried by a Telecom firm trying to capitalise on the benefits of a fibre connection .,saying "you'll get faster calls" - "HOW ,asked me -calls travel at the speed of light , possibly slower on copper ,as opposed to fibre , BUT WILL YOU BE ABLE TO HEAR THE DIFFERENCE" - Exit salesman ,stage left (and right) .

Old adage ,on the event of a new technical development ,be prepared for a salesman ti try and sell something on mere theory( and try to make it look plausible) .

Is it the stoichiometric ratio, the best proportion of fuel and air mixture to burn at the same time. To say a spark plug can burn a different ratio seems quite crazy.

Is it the stoichiometric ratio, the best proportion of fuel and air mixture to burn at the same time. To say a spark plug can burn a different ratio seems quite crazy.

people were saying the same thing about steam trains, TV, cell phones, over 50 computers, dying from speeds > 10 mph a.s.o.  a.s.o.

this gets better and better...

i wonder if they can make the valve clearances self adjust too?

people were saying the same thing about steam trains, TV, cell phones, over 50 computers, dying from speeds > 10 mph a.s.o.  a.s.o.

Yeah, but when they said those things there wasn't any science to back them up, it was pure conjecture.

Which is exactly what the claims made by these plugs are - pure conjecture. If not, then they'd have been snapped up by either a major car manufacturer for their own exclusive use (instantly giving them a massive advantage over other brands) or a spark plug maker who would do the same within the spark plug world.

If I recall correctly Teflon Tom has got a relatively huge increase in power in his Felly pickup..............replacement engine!

Also if you want to increase fuel efficiency, wouldn't it be better to try and improve on that which is already ahead.....diesel engines. Given that the guy is a yank, they have an obsession with petrol engines (hence engines being more than twice the size of those in Europe. Do you really need a 4.5 litre engine to haul yourself along at 55 mph?)

I did see something about a simple water splitter that would split water into hydrogen and oxygen, which is then fed into the air intake ot the engine. When I find the plans again, I'll have a go and see what happens. ;-) ;-) ;-)

Yeah, but when they said those things there wasn't any science to back them up, it was pure conjecture.

no, you didn't get it. I was referring to what people said AFTER they heard what claimed the inventor of those things. because in their brain there was no empty space for more science than they already knew... and you know... "what we don't comprehend, it doesn't exist and we don't give a f**k about it"...

Which is exactly what the claims made by these plugs are - pure conjecture.  If not, then they'd have been snapped up by either a major car manufacturer for their own exclusive use (instantly giving them a massive advantage over other brands) or a spark plug maker who would do the same within the spark plug world.

well... why don't you invent some device applicable to auto industry and that cuts big time the international oil consumption, get a patent, and then try produce it by yourself or in a joined venture with some major manufacturer. you'll end up empty handed or you'll have to sell it only to stay in a locked safe or if you're really ambitious you'll end up dead.

Edited 22 August, 201015 yr by masster

Ok Mmaster, I actually do know what a "gas plasma" is, thank you very much. Perhaps you can explain to me how this guy has shortcut the laws ot thermodynamics, and heated the air in the conbustion chamber to 20_000 Kelvin or so with the energy from a standard 4-cylinder ignition coil, and without melting the cylinder head and/or piston in the process? The only way that any other phycisist in the known World knows of containing a gas plasma is to use a magnetic bottle, and no-one has found a way of making one of those stable for 0.1 seconds, or making one at all with just a couple of electrodes and a current.

The only reason for mentioning a Skoda 100 series engine specifically was to make the point that his claimed results were not going to be fully reproducable on your car.

Also, as for the claim that he is a personal friend of Smokey Yunick (who is well-known for thinking "out of the box", but also "outside the rulebook" on occasions), so what? That doesn't make him a good scientist or engineer, or make it true. I mean, I can claim to be a personal friend of Richard Petty and Jeff Gordon, but that doesn't make those claims true either!