I'm getting a bit concerned for my poor clutch. My furby has covered 16k, the last 3-4k with an AMD one-click map. Over the last week or so I have noticed that when I boot it in gear (3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th), then most times the revs rise by about 500-700rpm rapidly, without the car going any faster. :confused: They then drop back down by about 400rpm and the car starts to accelerate, but doesn't feel as strong as it used to. I'm concerned that this could be 'clutch slip' and what I can do about it. I think my next course of action to to unmap the car and see if it still happens. If so, do you think I'd be able to get away with taking it in to be looked at by the dealer? (Bearing in mind I have other non engine mods).

Has anyone else experienced this problem? I am suprised it is happening on mine as I had been led to believe that the one click map was a fairly conservative one compared to revo or a custom map, which was one of the reasons I went for it so that I would hopefully not have problems like this.

Any suggestions/advice?

Duncan

does sound like clutch slipping mate, if you revert it back to standard i don't know if the garage would be able to tell if it has been mapped. this is a bit naughty if you try and 'slip' it by them. clutch will need upgrading though by the sounds of it

Does sound like you have the beginnings of clutch slip.

Have you been putting your boot down hard, accelerating from low engine speeds in 4th 5th and 6th (using the torque) rather than changing down a gear?

Have you experiance any clutch judder?

You need to use the gears more and get the car rolling before introducing all that torque.

At the moment no uprated clutch is available for the Fabia vrs

Have you been putting your boot down hard' date=' accelerating from low engine speeds in 4th 5th and 6th (using the torque) rather than changing down a gear?

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Ermmm.....

Not sure what rpm it is doing at 70 in 5th off the top of my head, but that caused the problem earlier today. The problem is that is a common scenario for wanting to put your put down really. I have been led to believe that the Once clicks reverts the ECU settings back to how they were prior to the map, as it saves all the original data on the unit. Bengie, I realise it is a bit naughty to try and hoodwink a dealer, but if it happens as standard as Martin says, then surely it is a valid complaint?

Anyone know what a new clutch would set me back?

Duncan

Personally I would unmap it then try and get it done under warranty if I was you, or it will be expensive. However, if you are going to stick with the OEM clutch, then you are going to have to treat it more gently. This means not just sticking your boot down like you might in a petrol - whether the car is remapped or not, this has no benefit in a diesel - however, having been in a remapped one, it does seem like the pick up is more immediate in a remapped one, so it probably encourages you to slam the pedal more than you might in a non-remapped car.

I've covered 14,500 miles and have had no problems at all with my clutch, no juddering (but then I am not remapped), but I have always used progressive throttle inputs and always kept the revs above about 2000-2200 rpm when pushing on - even though VAG quotes peak torque at 1900 I personally believe my ar$e is telling me it has even more pull at about the 2400 mark. I believe the standard clutch is more likely to fail when used in higher gears and/or at lower revs. It does seem to me like the standard clutch is more or less 90% at its limit even on a standard map to me, so remapping does seem to remove any tolerance it may have, and you have to drive accordingly...

OEM clutch will just do it again though. And at his mileage you might well not get a clutch.

Exactly the same happens on both mine and Colin's vRS, we have found that until a clutch is made available there is a way to drive around it, building the revs up in each gear does seem to limit the slip, dont plant your foot from low revs.

With regarss to the juddering its usually caused by the dual mass flywheel and is again cused by dropping the revs to low the accelerating hard.

Thanks for the input guys, I will modify the way I drive the car. Unfortunately it means that one of the best aspects of the diesel, eg. not having to change down on the motorway to accelerate hard, goes out of the window, but hey ho. Was it middle of the year that someone said a new clutch would be available?

Yep, I agree with you on the ingear thing, it does seem a shame, although I have to admit that I feel even on the standard one, although you can be lazy, it still seems neccesary to change gear to get the most out of the car. As for the new clutch, not sure when its due, but someone surely has to bring one out - the amount of folks who chip their diesels now surely it would make sense for someone to get one out - but I have to confess that I dont think I'll be remapping until I can get a new clutch - and the problems have left me to wonder whether those in pursuit of high speeds wouldnt be better off with a 1.8T engined car like the Ibiza - my mate has one, and it has the advantages (when chipped) of having both the flexibility of a diesel car ingear and the outright straight line acceleration you get from having a petrol, and he does not have any clutch problems in his... and its still capable of returning nearly 40 mpg if grannied... although in fairness he says that he does still miss his chipped TDI Sport in some respects.

Well I can slip my clutch at will if I want to so I don't think it's a 'problem' with mapped diesel cars alone. For info this has been the case in both my vRS'sss so suspect the OEM clutch is not manly enough for the job. Have to admit though it's only really happened in 2 or 3 gear...

I'd imagine though that its the high torque that is making finding a replacement clutch for the Furby so difficult -- I'd imagine its relatively easy to find a clutch that will work on a 1.8T?

1. Thought there was an uprated clutch out this year?

2. If so, how much?

3. If so, will it eliminate clutch slippage and we can all dip into the mountains of torque available?

4. How long would you expect an uprated clutch to last for?

5. My car is in to be Jabba'd this month, how often does the clutch slip, if driven progressively like Ross Clarke suggests?

1. There is a Sachs item out this year.

2. Dont know until its out (expect around

Like Ross and Colin, I get clutch slip if I boot it from low revs, but have adapted driving style to suit and also use progressive pressure on the throttle. I actually find it goes quicker now than it did before too. Added bonus of changing driving style through a slipping clutch.

Thanks for the replies fab16v & Ross Make sure someone posts up when the Sach's one will be available. Oh btw, stupid question I know but is the Sach's one only being developed for the 6 speed box as it seems there are many uprated ones for the 5 speed VAG box around.

I believe uprated Helix clutches are available with a solid flywheel from Jabbasport for the PD.

Price around

I believe uprated Helix clutches are available with a solid flywheel from Jabbasport for the PD.

Price around

You will get a bit of judder on take up, sounds like chattering. But no worse than a knackered dual mass flywheel which it will end up being after poking 300 +ft lb's though it after a while.

I'll wait for the Sach's one, hopefully it wont be too long in the making, then we can have trouble free motoring again & I guess if you dont over do the 0-60's, 0-100's you should be ok.

P.S. Ross have you ever had an estimate at 0-60, 0-100 with all the mods you've made?

Yeah Helix do make a flywheel and clutch assemble, it does cost about

Sachs do do one, so I'm reliably informed

Sachs do a sintered plate clutch that will handle 370+lb/ft...

2 discs available:

1- Organic material disc ---- part# 881864 999980

2- Sinterized material disc ---- part # 881864 999969

1 uprated pressure plate:

part# 88 3082 999 753

Torque ratings:

organic disc + pressure plate 400Nm = 295ft-lb

sinterized disc + pressure plate 510Nm = 376 ft-lb

They were the part numbers I quoted to Sachs and they say they havent produced any as yet.

Will be ready later this year.

Now that doesnt help alot..lol.

If you know of a supplier please come forward as there are a great many of us waiting.

So will we need to order the following two parts:

Sinterized material disc ---- part # 881864 999969

1 uprated pressure plate:

part# 88 3082 999 753

or just

Sinterized material disc ---- part # 881864 999969

?

mmmm, uprated clutch :drool: