How much has your insurance gone up with having the remap?

They do very soon, according to my MOT tester today.

There is to be a stricter test for vehicles new enough to have a DPF.

Apparently it's because people are removing/bypassing them and the particulates are bad for air quality and human health in built up areas.

I believe this has been under consideration for some time; we'll all have to wait and see.

I think you are refering to the proposals for MOT changes for 2012.

Aparrently, if my source is correct it's not the same thing.

Plans are already in place to cut the permissable amount of smoke in the "Smoke test" by half for turbo diesels that are new enough to need a DPF.

I actually asked my tester today because I have concerns over my mkI Fabia witch has no cat, because I wanted to see what he knew about the 2012 proposals.

His answer was that (as we know) it's just a proposal. But he did tell me that shortly the pass level on the smoke test for turbo diesels will be halved on cars new enough to need a DPF, as that's what he thought I meant at first. When I say shortly, he thinkgs it's going to be this year, nothing to do with the 2012 proposals.

I'll try and get some clarification next week.

But I personally believe that a turbo diesel running clean enough could still pass the test as even if it was halved, the original amount allowed was quite high.

Materials were put for recycling by the garage.

Does that make sense?

With the desire for the DSG as the prime, it makes sense.

My opinion on the particulate issue is that it is significant in cities, but not out in the country. My experience with the 170CR with DPF is that a lot of around town driving does effect the performance, which is restored with a brisk motorway run. If that is just the DPF or the whole engine system in general is difficult to figure out.

Here, regulations for DPF equipped vehicles are more stringent than for older vehicles without. Diesels without DPF are also penalized with an additional £100/yr. road tax.

I too would have bought a CR170 if it had been available with DSG, or maybe even a 1.8tsi with DSG.....

Sadly neither are currently available.

How much has your insurance gone up with having the remap?

I'm insured with Skoda Insurance (AXA) and declared the remap, suggesting it would take my CR140 to CR170. 10% additional premium was asked for, which is IMHO pretty fair considering it would likely cost this if I had a CR170/1.8TSI.

Rockhopper had the same experience (also insured with Skoda).

Removing the DPF is a kind of retro-environmental procedure. Hopefully the remaining materials were disposed of responsively, as they contains heavy metals, which should not just be chucked anywhere.

I though about this question a bit more this morning. :wonder:

Are you perhaps confusion a Catalytic Converter for a petrol engined car with a DPF for a Diesel? A 'cat' has a metal mesh with 'heavy metals' as its function is to change the chemical compound of certain gases to make them non-toxic, whereas a DPF has a ceramic honeycomb (similar ceramic material as the fake coal in a gas fire) on which carbon particles settle and are subsequently burnt off by over fuelling.

I've yet to hear of a DPF being stolen for the value of the ceramic honeycomb, whereas the theft of Catalytic Converters (for the precious/heavy metals) can be quite a problem in some areas.

I though about this question a bit more this morning. :wonder:

Are you perhaps confusion a Catalytic Converter for a petrol engined car with a DPF for a Diesel? A 'cat' has a metal mesh with 'heavy metals' as its function is to change the chemical compound of certain gases to make them non-toxic, whereas a DPF has a ceramic honeycomb (similar ceramic material as the fake coal in a gas fire) on which carbon particles settle and are subsequently burnt off by over fuelling.

I am maybe a little challenged, as I do have a participation in the catalyst business and have been involved both in petrol and Diesel catalysts. Both petrol catalysts and Diesel particle filters are catalysed to lower the combustion temperature to burn excess hydrocarbons for the petrol engine and the soot for the diesel engines, So both have a platinum content and maybe some additional components, such as palladium to make the combustion possible at the less than adiabatic mixtures in the exhausts.

Substrates for both are typically an extruded ceramic, Cordierite, the difference being that the petrol catalyst has completely open channels, where the DPF has every other channel blocked, so the walls act as a filter. Knitted metal mesh is also used for petrol catalysts and for aftermarket DPF filters, which do not completely make the exhaust gases flow through the filter.

Thanks for the technical info; I hadn't appreciated the complexity of the DPF.

My conscience had been pricking me for a wee while about particulate emissions since I had my DPF removed, particularly after some comments on here, so I popped along to my local friendly MOT testing station this afternoon and had a Diesel Smoke Test done.

Very interesting experience because, as a lot of readers will know, the diesel smoke test requires the following test;-

After checking the oil temperature to ensure the engine is warm the tester will accelerate the engine from idle until the governor cuts in a maximum of 6 times. Your engine will not be held at full speed for any length of time. If your engine has been maintained, the test should not cause damage to your engine.

The "... until the governor cuts in ..." is reckoned to be at max revs of (usually) c. 4,000rpm or more and the emissions testing unit is looking for a reading around this level.

Problem! Whilst the red line on Kevin is set at 5,000 rpm, and he will run close to this speed with alacrity on the road (DSG 'box does up-changes @ 4,500rpm even in S or manual), the ECU 'self preservation' programming will only allow the engine to run to 2,500 rpm if it's in park or neutral. So the standard smoke test program will not run. :'(

Solution is to set the smoke test machine to 'manual' and run the test from there. Hook up the detector probe in the exhaust, three acceleration runs and reading obtained of 0.16, 0.16 and 0.24; average 0.19m-1 against a test limit of 3.00m-1 Test passed.

OK; if Kevin had been able to run to 4,500rpm the particulate emissions would likely have been higher but even if they were quadrupled would only have been 0.76m-1; still significantly lower than a test limit of 3.00m-1 or even a (possibly) proposed lower limit of 1.50m-1.

Conscience clear.

Great post, thanks

I have no issue with engine tuning but I do have concerns about removing the DPF system which is intended to remove not only soot but the invisible minute- and nano-particles present in diesel exhaust.

The fleet of buses I operate is fitted with all manner of equipment to reduce the amount of soot and especially particulates present in the exhaust.

We even have to have a product called Adblue injected into the system to further clean things up.

There is all sorts of information available but here's ato an item in the Daily Mail on Wednesday this week.

Scientists have uncovered devastating proof that diesel exhaust fumes can penetrate into the lungs of children, trig-gering asthma, bronchitis and other respiratory conditions.

British experts found tiny carbon particles, pumped out by engines, deep in the lungs of all the children they examined, aged as young as three months.

It is the first study to show that diesel particles reach and are taken up by the cells in the deepest parts of the lung which help get oxygen into the bloodstream.

Further research showed that children exposed to more exhaust fumes because they lived alongside main roads were up to twice as likely to suffer coughs and wheezing than those in quieter areas.

Dr Jonathan Grigg, senior lecturer in paediatric respiratory medicine at Leicester University, who led the research, said: 'We are finding particles in cells that are known to cause lung injury.'

The research is published today in Thorax, the medical journal of the British Thoracic Society. Diesel was hailed in the 1970s as a 'green' fuel and given lower duty rates because of its low emissions of carbon dioxide, thought to be associated with global warming.

Around one in six cars in the UK runs on diesel fuel. But there has been increasing concern over recent years about the health effects of diesel particulates.

Children are thought to be particularly vulnerable because they breathe more quickly, moving more air deep into their lungs than adults.

They also exercise more and spend more time outside, increasing their chances of exposure. The latest research could help explain why cases of asthma in under-fives have doubled in the last ten years. It is estimated there are now 5.1 million sufferers in the UK.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-84752/How-diesel-takes-toll-childrens-lungs.html.

I recall when I took my Masters Degree in Transport Management being told by a visiting professor that the volume of particulate matter, soot and sulphur leaving the exhaust of a typical diesel engined vehicle is about the equivalent of a sugar lump per mile travelled.

Imagine all the black sugar lumps at the sides of our roads....

John

Edited 16 July, 201114 yr by jst_at_home

I have no issue with engine tuning but I do have concerns about removing the DPF system which is intended to remove not only soot but the invisible minute- and nano-particles present in diesel exhaust.John

+ 1 on that.

Particulates are known to be dangerous - the reason DPFs are a component part of compliance with Euro 5.

Removal of a DPF is, in my view, irresponsible and says much about the owner's attitude to others.

Would be interesting to know when removal of a DPF from a vehicle originally fitted with one is to become an offence.

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Would be interesting to know when removal of a DPF from a vehicle originally fitted with one is to become an offence.

It IS under EU regulations.

If the Vehicle Type Approval certificate includes a particulate filter then technically any modification from that specification is illegal. However I think it would be only VOSA who could prosecute.

I guess there are a copuple of things I am wondering about:

If you wanted a high power vehicle, why don't you buy the 170 HP diesel to begin with? - or even the 1.8 TSI? They include all the auxiliary bits and pieces to make it safe and match the higher performance.

If you do do a remap to get more power, why not just increase the size of the DPF to match the additional power? A 170 DPF for a breathed-on 140 as an example.

Finally, the DPF is not just a mechanical soot filter - it is also a catalyst to reduce unburnt HC like you have on a petrol engine. Removing it sets the diesel exhaust quality back a few decades.

If you wanted a high power vehicle, why don't you buy the 170 HP diesel to begin with? - or even the 1.8 TSI? They include all the auxiliary bits and pieces to make it safe and match the higher performance.

Simple answer..............DSG......

I wish Skoda fitted the 170 with DSG and also the 1.8 or 2.0 tsi with DSG for that matter.....

Simple answer..............DSG......

I wish Skoda fitted the 170 with DSG and also the 1.8 or 2.0 tsi with DSG for that matter.....

I guess that's a valid reason - if you need/want the DSG box. I wonder if the DSG fitted to the 140 from Skoda is any different than the DSG on other higher powered VAG vehicles? The Audi A3 has the same transverse engine lay-out as the Yeti and does come with a 170 hp TDI with the S-tronic gearbox - but theý don't say much about it in the lit.

Simple answer..............DSG......

I wish Skoda fitted the 170 with DSG and also the 1.8 or 2.0 tsi with DSG for that matter.....

+ 1.

I needed a DSG to give my arthritic right ankle and hip an easy time, I left foot brake in an automatic, and I wanted a CR170 engine as I was used to this in my Octavia vRS TDI.

I can't get that combination in a Yeti, or a Tiguan or anything else of comparable price/size. This combination does exist in the Audi Q5 but the Q5 is larger, doesn't perform as well due to size/weight and cost about another £10,000 for equivalent equipment to the Yeti Elegance.

I'm sorry if the removal of my DPF offends some and concerns others; it was not intended to. Having done a Diesel Smoke test, it has shown that I am well within current UK regulations.

Overall, (and I'm not defending my actions here, just offering a plea of mitigation) there are far more dangerous things in life than a few diesel particulates. I vividly remember two slides shown to me as part of an anti-smoking presentation when I was at school 40 years ago. One picture was of the lungs of a London Policeman who had spent most of his time on 'point duty' controlling London traffic (with all the fumes and smog that this entailed) - they were pink. The other was of a Scottish shepherd who had spent his life in the open air but smoked 20-a-day - they were black.

May we move on, back to the enjoyment of a remapped CR140?

May we move on, back to the enjoyment of a remapped CR140?

I mailed Shark today about tuning my Yeti (140 HP 4x4 DSG) and got a really fast reply telling

me that they were sorry but had no other option for the car than me bringing it to them.

The new Shark Performance Self Tuning System does not fit the Yetis. :-(

Sad since I live in Norway and it is not an option to take the car to England now.

The only other option I have been ableto find is the German RaceChip

RaceChip for Yeti

I have seen a couple of Yeti owners here on Briskoda using this chip.

Hmmm......

Is it a as good as the Shark tuning ?

It is supposed to be an easy fit anyway, I do not look foreward to dig too deep into the

electrics in the Yeti myself, thats Black Art to me :-)

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I mailed Shark today about tuning my Yeti (140 HP 4x4 DSG) and got a really fast reply telling

me that they were sorry but had no other option for the car than me bringing it to them.

The new Shark Performance Self Tuning System does not fit the Yetis. :-(

Sad since I live in Norway and it is not an option to take the car to England now.

The only other option I have been ableto find is the German RaceChip

RaceChip for Yeti

I have seen a couple of Yeti owners here on Briskoda using this chip.

Hmmm......

Is it a as good as the Shark tuning ?

It is supposed to be an easy fit anyway, I do not look foreward to dig too deep into the

electrics in the Yeti myself, thats Black Art to me :-)

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Hi

It won't be as good, but may be the best option for you....

Telecaster. I recommend you to contact BSR in Sweden. . From what I have been told and read, they are really good. I know I will contact them then it's time to remap mine in the future.

http://sv.bsr.se/

Telecaster. I recommend you to contact BSR in Sweden. . From what I have been told and read, they are really good. I know I will contact them then it's time to remap mine in the future.

http://sv.bsr.se/

I've had a quick look at BSR's website and they ought to be good if they work on Koenigsegg cars.

Reading their description of Diesel Tuning they adopt the same philosophy as Shark Performance and Superchiops here in UK and their PPC Tuning System seems scarily similar to Shark's STS and Superchip's Bluefin.

However, there is one problem. The latest VAG group Bosch ECUs, as used on the Yeti, are not able to be tuned by any form of 'on board tuning' at present. The only option is to remove the ECU, open it up, and work on the chips inside from there. Shark are able to do this, Superchips not yet.

Overall though looks like you ought to have a discussion with them and they even seem to have a dealer in Oslo as here;- http://en.bsr.se/contact/dealer/realcar-scandinavia/

Good luck.