I currently drive and Octavia Vrs which seems to be getting better and better as the miles clock up. I have had a Fabia Vrs mk2 for several thousend miles but was unimpressed by its performance. Maybe its me but i found the 2.0 a much better engine from low revs and seemed to pull much better from 6k upwards. It sounds better and feels much more powerful throughout its rev range.

I am in no way saying the 1.4 tsi 180 is a bad engine but i felt it seemed to lack more than the 20bhp skoda seem to quote between the two

I would be very interested to hear other peoples experiences.

kinda the opposite.. I have driven the octavia vRS and found it flat until high revs, where it then flew.... I own the fabia, and I find it amazing at low revs due to the supercharger, and just as much madness as you approach 7k....

maybe its because you lived with the octy, and I've lived with the fabia......

objectively, me and an octy dove of roundabout lights onto the motorway, and there was nothing in it at all... (after a sctottish meet, friendly stuff up to the speed limit, again, NO race chat) so the performance is almost exactly the same....

interesting, nice to hear other views, I wonder if maybe it was the DSG gearbox that was giving the impression of feeling more slugish in comparison then.

Maybe the Fabia is more deceptive in speed? I just like the sound of the Octavia and the high revving pull.

i heard the TSI in the Octavia Vrs makes close to 225bhp as atandard

My mate has a FN2 type r which is slower than the Octavia, again, mates to NSL and nothing more

I prefer the Fabia over the Octavia personally, that's why I bought the Fabia after all.

The price, the design, the handling (after some mods, ofc), the potential...

I'm not saying that the Octavia is overpriced, an ugly **** and handle worse then a bath-tub on wheels, it's a good car as stated before!

But I still prefer the Fabia as an overall deal.

My mate has a FN2 type r which is slower than the Octavia, again, mates to NSL and nothing more

An FN2 Type-R is not a good benchmark, I could take those with a stock SAAB 9000 aero x).

is an FN2 CTR the 2000yr to 2006yr car??

i doubt on a clear road a Saab or a vrs tsfi would take one that easily, provided the CTR driver knows how to keep his car in the powerband.

And on the track i'm sure it would leave both in its dust

Edited 8 October, 201114 yr by Sonner

I currently drive and Octavia Vrs which seems to be getting better and better as the miles clock up. I have had a Fabia Vrs mk2 for several thousend miles but was unimpressed by its performance. Maybe its me but i found the 2.0 a much better engine from low revs and seemed to pull much better from 6k upwards. It sounds better and feels much more powerful throughout its rev range.

I am in no way saying the 1.4 tsi 180 is a bad engine but i felt it seemed to lack more than the 20bhp skoda seem to quote between the two

I would be very interested to hear other peoples experiences.

Love them both, in fact the Superb as well, but Skoda do not produce a proper performance car yet (only V6 Superb gets to 60 in an approaching super car 6 seconds). Everything else in the Skoda stable is pretty mediocre in the terms of acceleration but, with the Octavia and Superb at least, capable of incredible high speed cruising.

Fabia, a part from being odd looking in all but the Monte Carlo trim, is flawed with 10K servicing to make it a serious Gran Tourer, not enough room in the back for 3 unless they are Grumpy, Dopey and Sleepy or similar.

Octavia TSI VRS does not get a good autobox so it feels like it is forth when it is in top.

Think the 180 hp 1.4 TSI is not going to be with us too long. Runs best on expensive high octane, you would hope it is going to be replaced eventually by a nice 200hp 1.6TSI to follow the World Touring Car, World Rally Car engine usage in the next season to two.

Sounds over critical as the Skoda's are absolute bargains with the deals, bought 2 TSI Octavia last year, a manual TSI VRS and a 1.8 TSI DSG L&K, and will probably order a 1.8 TSI DSG Superb and 70 hp Monte in the next few weeks.

I love out accelerating all these 2 litre diesels from Ford, VAG, Vauxhall but when you come up against proper accelerating cars you are only acceleraing at barely half their rate hence have to have a motorcycle to be king of the road, until I meet an R1 or similar and slip back to mediocrity.

Edited 8 October, 201114 yr by lol

Ive had both and the octavia is just a better car in every department. Performance wise mines mapped and runing 210hp and id say upto 100mph im quicker than my stage 2+ octavia was despite the 70hp/100lbft deficit.

is an FN2 CTR the 2000yr to 2006yr car??

i doubt on a clear road a Saab or a vrs tsfi would take one that easily, provided the CTR driver knows how to keep his car in the powerband.

And on the track i'm sure it would leave both in its dust

A quick google reveals this picture :

Even the older version (2000-2006) don't got much against the SAAB tbh.

The saab might only have "25" bhp more then the civic, but the mid-range is mad in that car.

That + the saab doesn't weigh more then 1400 kilos x).

When you hit a bend tho, the Civic should leave it easily.

After all, it's atleast 10 years development-difference between the cars :p.

I think we need to organise a 1/4 mile day to see whats what with the octavia and fabia.. I personally had a new octavia eating dust going up a national speed limit dual carriage way. I dont think the engines pull as well as ours and to get technical on you guys it dosent.

Here is my comparison

Fabia mk2 vrs:

Standard bhp:180 (144.81bhp per tonne)

standard torque 250nm (201.12nm per tonne)

Weight:1243kg

Octavia vrs 2.0t

Standard bhp:200 (136.05bhp per tonne)

Standard torque: 280nm (190.47nm per tonne)

CLEARLY SHOWS FABIA AS THE WINNER

Not to mention all fabias are DSG now even if you cancel that out by getting an octy with dsg they dont come with XDS limited slip dif for off the line traction aswell as track traction.. So im afraid everyone with an octy, your younger sibling has beat you!

Here is my comparison

Fabia mk2 vrs:

Standard bhp:180 (144.81bhp per tonne)

standard torque 250nm (201.12nm per tonne)

Weight:1243kg

Octavia vrs 2.0t

Standard bhp:200 (136.05bhp per tonne)

Standard torque: 280nm (190.47nm per tonne)

CLEARLY SHOWS FABIA AS THE WINNER

Not to mention all fabias are DSG now even if you cancel that out by getting an octy with dsg they dont come with XDS limited slip dif for off the line traction aswell as track traction.. So im afraid everyone with an octy, your younger sibling has beat you!

Ahhhhh, but on the other hand..........

The Octavia has better suspension geometry and can put the power down better so it doesn't need fancy electronic control off the diff which isn't a proper LSD anyway. And it's more aerodynamic meaning as speeds get higher the Fabia's weight advantage fades away. Not only does the 2.0TSi produce more maximum torque it also holds that torque from 1750-5000rpm, the 1.4TSi has less torque and can only hold it from 2000-4500rpm.

What does this mean? :think: :wonder:

0-62mph

Fabia 7.3, Octy 7.2

Max Speed

Fabia 139mph, Octy 150mph.

Cheers

Lee

Edited 13 October, 201114 yr by logiclee

Ahhhhh, but on the other hand..........

The Octavia has better suspension geometry and can put the power down better so it doesn't need fancy electronic control off the diff which isn't a proper LSD anyway. And it's more aerodynamic meaning as speeds get higher the Fabia's weight advantage fades away. Not only does the 2.0TSi produce more maximum torque it also holds that torque from 1750-5000rpm, the 1.4TSi has less torque and can only hold it from 2000-4500rpm.

What does this mean? :think: :wonder:

0-62mph

Fabia 7.3, Octy 7.2

Max Speed

Fabia 139mph, Octy 150mph.

Cheers

We all know the fabias claimed 0-60 isnt that. Reputable car magazines such as whatcar etc have tested the standard fabia and re kon with a gps based speedometer they hit 60 in well under 6 seconds and if you dig deeper (speAk to skoda) The fabia has a drag co efficient of .345 where as the octavia has a drag co efficient of .32, the reason is because of the boot on the octavia but all the aerodynamics mean is that the octy has the higher top speed not to mention the longer wheel base however they do confirm fabia accelerates quicker they just wont say to 60 its quicker for obvious reasons...

Like i say im confident on a 1/4 mile fabia will win all the way

Lee

I think we need to organise a 1/4 mile day to see whats what with the octavia and fabia.. I personally had a new octavia eating dust going up a national speed limit dual carriage way. I dont think the engines pull as well as ours and to get technical on you guys it dosent.

Here is my comparison

Fabia mk2 vrs:

Standard bhp:180 (144.81bhp per tonne)

standard torque 250nm (201.12nm per tonne)

Weight:1243kg

Octavia vrs 2.0t

Standard bhp:200 (136.05bhp per tonne)

Standard torque: 280nm (190.47nm per tonne)

CLEARLY SHOWS FABIA AS THE WINNER

Not to mention all fabias are DSG now even if you cancel that out by getting an octy with dsg they dont come with XDS limited slip dif for off the line traction aswell as track traction.. So im afraid everyone with an octy, your younger sibling has beat you!

Where did you get those numbers from as they are a little out for the Octavia, the Octavia weighs 1360kg with 197bhp which makes 144.8bhp/ton with my rough maths, so very close to the Fabia.

Evo magazine also quote 148bhp/ton for the Fabia and 143bhp/ton for the Octavia so it would be close IMO.

With less than 145bhp/ton and fwd traction i'd be very very suprised if the Fabia could get near 62mph in 6 seconds never mind under 6 seconds.

The original scooby with 166bhp/ton and 4WD allowing a full throttle and drop the clutch launch struggled to get under 6 seconds to 62mph.

The FWD Focus RS just manages under 6 seconds and that has 300bhp and a proper LSD.

Cheers

Lee

Edited 13 October, 201114 yr by logiclee

With less than 145bhp/ton and fwd traction i'd be very very suprised if the Fabia could get near 62mph in 6 seconds never mind under 6 seconds.

The original scooby with 166bhp/ton and 4WD allowing a full throttle and drop the clutch launch struggled to get under 6 seconds to 62mph.

The FWD Focus RS just manages under 6 seconds and that has 300bhp and a proper LSD.

Cheers

Lee

apologies lee i meant well in the 6 second range. was typing on my phone and didnt realise that i had typed it wrong

jamie

Where did you get those numbers from as they are a little out for the Octavia, the Octavia weighs 1360kg with 197bhp which makes 144.8bhp/ton with my rough maths, so very close to the Fabia.

Evo magazine also quote 148bhp/ton for the Fabia and 143bhp/ton for the Octavia so it would be close IMO.

think you need yo check your stats mate, parkers, and skoda both say its weight is 1430kg which seems more likely for size of the car so the bhp per tonne has a much bigger gap. i have read somewhere that old octy was lighter you may have got muddled up...

Jamie

EVO magazine (Dec 2011), the current Skoda Octavia brochure (June 2011) and Skoda UK website all quote 1360kg for the Octavia hatch vRS 2.0 manual petrol, so 144.8bhp/ton stands.

Also Skoda quote 1318kg as the kerb weight for the Fabia vRS which means the Fabia has 136.5bhp/ton, so less than the Octavia based on Skodas figures. Please check the Skoda website if you think my figures are incorrect.

It's all irrelevant as driver skill, tyres, how much fuel is in the tank ect will also play a part. The big advantage the Fabia will have is the 7 speed DSG, once the car has been launched the driver just keeps the throttle pinned and lets the gearbox do the rest. My money would be on the Fabia, due to the gearbox ect.

Janner_sy is probably the person to ask as he has owned an Octavia VRS 2.0 TFSI in various levels of tune and now owns a Fabia vRS which has been standard and is now stage 1+ IIRC.

Stage 2 fabia vRS 213hp/234lbft

Vs

Stage 2 de-dpf octavia vRS TDI circa 220-240hp/330lbft+ (bear in mind the stage 2 de-dpf tdi is about the same as a 240hp stage 1 TFSI performance wise

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=KE#/watch?v=D2YAJkCTmj8

According to Skoda uk website and the latest brochure

Octavia VRS, kerb weight.

Lightest is 2.0TFSi manual at 1360kg.

Heaviest is 2.0CR Tdi DSG at 1415kg.

Seems about right as my bigger Passat 2.0CR DSG has a kerbweight of 1530kg, a little heavier than my previous Mondeo 3.0V6 at 1495kg.

I tow so kerbweights are something I check before I buy

Cheers

Lee

I think we need to organise a 1/4 mile day to see whats what with the octavia and fabia.. I personally had a new octavia eating dust going up a national speed limit dual carriage way. I dont think the engines pull as well as ours and to get technical on you guys it dosent.

Here is my comparison

Fabia mk2 vrs:

Standard bhp:180 (144.81bhp per tonne)

standard torque 250nm (201.12nm per tonne)

Weight:1243kg

Octavia vrs 2.0t

Standard bhp:200 (136.05bhp per tonne)

Standard torque: 280nm (190.47nm per tonne)

CLEARLY SHOWS FABIA AS THE WINNER

Not to mention all fabias are DSG now even if you cancel that out by getting an octy with dsg they dont come with XDS limited slip dif for off the line traction aswell as track traction.. So im afraid everyone with an octy, your younger sibling has beat you!

Don't have XDS? My 2010 diesel vRS has XDS and as far as I'm aware all Octavia vRS' built since about November 2009 have it as standard...

Never going to claim mine is as fast as a (Mk II) Fabia vRS butI wanted a cruiser rather than a hot hatch (30000 miles a year) but even my diesel has a fair turn of speed in the mid range thanks to the 350NM of Torque which blasts the Fabia torque per ton figure out of the water (247.35 NM per tonne on my heavy DSG diesel)