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Me and a mate are going for the full Thursday - Sunday. Anyone else going?? Been searching around the net for detailed stage maps, hoping to get right out into the forest. There seems to be some info available through scoobynet

http://bbs.scoobynet.com/859925-wales-rally-gb-2011-countdown-11.html

but I'm not a member, anyone here a member that could get the info I'm after?

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We will be at Builth Wells on Saturday and Sunday.

Wales Rally sites has some info but it is all a bit crap and we tend to go to Cardiff and this year to Builth as I think you tend to see more than at the stages. Have you seen this link?

http://www.walesrallygb.com/spectators/index.php

Non if it is very informative I am afraid.

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I've just driven back from Llandudno and bought the local paper with maps of the routes. Wish i was going to see them driving round the Great Orme. :(

'Old school' here.

This event WAS THE highlight of the year for me in many tears gone by. Spectating, marshalling and finally safety radio.

All over Britain we used to go, and a fantastic time was had by all. :thumbup:

Now what have we got? A depleted entry list, a much watered down following and interest, and the use of a tiny bit of South Wales, only this year they are covering North and mid Nales too, whoopee!

As for charging you, the spectator, to have the privelidge of going to stand in a public forest, freezing cold, muddy and probably wet, being sheperded around like sheep,well imo it's just a total and utter rip iff. Nowt new there then?

An eye watering £99 for a four day pass?!

Are they having a laugh? :no:

Still, as long as you the public will willingly carry on being ripped off, the more they'll do it, beacuase they will see it as acceptable and the norm.

Which other country on the WRC calendar charges for spectating btw?

IIRC, NONE!

Welcome to rip off Britain. :thumbdown:

As much as I'd love to go and watch some WRC action in Clocaneog forest again for the first time in a decade, on principle I very sadly won't be going.

My choice, just as it is yours to go. Have a good time. :thumbup:

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^^ Agreed - Rally Wales GB is a total contradiction in terms, it has nothing to do with GB (apart from Wales being in GB)

I used to goto the old Lombard RAC Rally stages - Chatsworth, Kielder etc but stopping going when they moved to Wales (nothing against the Welsh, honest) Remember seeing Tommi Makkinen turn his Mitsi into a 3 wheeler at Millbrook :thumbup:

£99 for a 4 day pass, that's a joke surely. To be honest, I've totally gone off the WRC in recent years, probably as a result of the depleted manufacturer prescence, along with the poor TV coverage, is it still shown on ITV4 somewhere? I fear that F1 could follow at some point.

Me and a mate are going for the full Thursday - Sunday. Anyone else going?? Been searching around the net for detailed stage maps, hoping to get right out into the forest. There seems to be some info available through scoobynet

http://bbs.scoobynet.com/859925-wales-rally-gb-2011-countdown-11.html

but I'm not a member, anyone here a member that could get the info I'm after?

Lads day out Sat, Hafren *2 + Nat then sevice at BW

Try http://www.rally-maps.com/map may be useful

^^ Agreed - Rally Wales GB is a total contradiction in terms, it has nothing to do with GB (apart from Wales being in GB)

I used to goto the old Lombard RAC Rally stages - Chatsworth, Kielder etc but stopping going when they moved to Wales (nothing against the Welsh, honest) Remember seeing Tommi Makkinen turn his Mitsi into a 3 wheeler at Millbrook :thumbup:

£99 for a 4 day pass, that's a joke surely. To be honest, I've totally gone off the WRC in recent years, probably as a result of the depleted manufacturer prescence, along with the poor TV coverage, is it still shown on ITV4 somewhere? I fear that F1 could follow at some point.

Hey Coops! Old school and old memories too ey? :thumbup:

These younger generations wouldn't believe just how much fantastic fun and excotement it was back in the 70's/80's would they ey? B)

Battle of the Brits every year. Roger Clark, Jimmy McRae, Russel Brookes, Tony Pond, Bertie Fisher, Malcolm Wilson,Louise Aitken Walker and then all the foreign lads too, like Ari Vatenen, Per Eklund,Hannu Mikkola, Bjorn Wvaldergard, Michelle Mouton.

Many more too that entertained us every year in a field of 130+ starters.

Then there was the meticulous almost military planning as to which stages and in which country's and counties we were going to visit. Awesome and such great fun with the lads, year in,year out.

We'd stay up all night regulary,passengers grabbing a small amount of kip between driving to fantastic stages all over GB.

Covering 600-800 miles over 4/5 days was not unusual

I remember having to stay awake for a full 36 hours one year, living on a diet of Pro Plus and coffee.

Took me 3 days to recover from that.

Sorry to you younger followers. This WRC event is such a mere shadow of its former glory days, and it's such a shame to see its demise every year now.

I couldn't even tell you who's leading the current championship...probably Vettel is it? :giggle:

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I shall be out as "Mid Stage Safety 1" at junction 10 on the Crychan Satges on Sunday, so shall be there from Saturday evening.

Old school or not, the title of the event is correct; it is the GB round of the World Rally Championship held in Wales.

And at least this year they have included North Wales, instead of just Cardiff.

For all those that complain about the charges, I'm afraid lots of spectators now expect to find facilities for themselves at venues, like toilets and lighting, and this has to be paid for, as does the provision of the first aid facilities that need to be provided, as do all the road closure orders and Police attendance required to stop bloody idiots blocking local access routes and residents drives. Also the car parking charges are not collected by the MSA but by local charities and bodies, typically the Round Table or Scouts for example, so ALL that money goes into local facilities.

The days of a round Britain International Rally are gone, I'm afraid, and because the FIA don't want it there is no way it will come back. This year there was a proposal to move it to one of the English Regions, but they could not find the money to sponser it, and luckily the Welsh Assembly realised how much money it puts in to local communitiies and thankfully found enough.

EDIT.

I'm lucky as I was part of the Skoda Rally Team in the late 70's, early 80's so remember the blast around the county, towing the food crew caravan with a 1.3 Estelle!!

with the poor TV coverage, is it still shown on ITV4 somewhere? I fear that F1 could follow at some point.

Loosing F1 wouldn't be a great loss to be honest...... Moto GP, thats a different story

At a Regional Association meeting earlier this month, we were advised:-

"The Principality is down to host the rally again in 2012, but negotiations are currently underway to secure a contract to base the rally for the following 5 years. Previous host cities York, Chester and Nottingham are each bidding to have the rally centred on them from 2013, though Wales is not giving up the event without a fight – evidenced by this years start in North Wales and thoughts of stages that include closed public roads next year."

May the best location win! :)

I shall be out as "Mid Stage Safety 1" at junction 10 on the Crychan Satges on Sunday, so shall be there from Saturday evening.

Old school or not, the title of the event is correct; it is the GB round of the World Rally Championship held in Wales.

And at least this year they have included North Wales, instead of just Cardiff.

For all those that complain about the charges, I'm afraid lots of spectators now expect to find facilities for themselves at venues, like toilets and lighting, and this has to be paid for, as does the provision of the first aid facilities that need to be provided, as do all the road closure orders and Police attendance required to stop bloody idiots blocking local access routes and residents drives. Also the car parking charges are not collected by the MSA but by local charities and bodies, typically the Round Table or Scouts for example, so ALL that money goes into local facilities.

The days of a round Britain International Rally are gone, I'm afraid, and because the FIA don't want it there is no way it will come back. This year there was a proposal to move it to one of the English Regions, but they could not find the money to sponser it, and luckily the Welsh Assembly realised how much money it puts in to local communitiies and thankfully found enough.

EDIT.

I'm lucky as I was part of the Skoda Rally Team in the late 70's, early 80's so remember the blast around the county, towing the food crew caravan with a 1.3 Estelle!!

Where was this survey done then? Old trafford amongst the rich and elite prawn sandwich munching brigade? :no:

I've been actively involved in motorsport in several guises over the last 40 years, and I have NEVER EVER heard anybody ask where the toilets are, or why their isn't any lighting.

Absolute folly to believe such tripe and nonsense.

These so called 'motorsport fans' will presumably be requiring centrally heated accomodation to watch the event next then?

As for First Aid, this has always been provided by various forms of medical support personell at events, the cost of which is taken from competitor entry fees.

Give me strength, what a massive load of old bunkum, and meanwhile I'll continuing marshalling and watching proper rallying for free for ALL spectators, in the form of the Cambrain, the Grizedale stages and various other clubman events during the year. :thumbup:

No, I think...as do many others I speak to...that this is simply another money grabbing excercise from the £££££ gin swiggers £££££ at MSA Towers.

My opinion, and yours is yours.

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Loosing F1 wouldn't be a great loss to be honest...... Moto GP, thats a different story

No can't agree with that. Moto GP is just boring in the etreme. Not happy about Bernie meddling with F1 coverage either but at least he can't affect BTCC which is better than both.

No can't agree with that. Moto GP is just boring in the etreme. Not happy about Bernie meddling with F1 coverage either but at least he can't affect BTCC which is better than both.

I agree and disagree on those points.

Eevn though I'm not remotely interested in motorbikes, the Moto GP is imo, quite exciting to watch. Close racing AND OVERTAKING.

F1 is a farce now very sadly, and will become an even bigger one once free viewing is ceased, just like the WRC has become unfortunately.

BTCC of course however, still has lots to offer for both the paying public to watch on the spot, and of course on TV too.

Please, don't let anyone interfere and destroy that one! :o

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No can't agree with that. Moto GP is just boring in the etreme. Not happy about Bernie meddling with F1 coverage either but at least he can't affect BTCC which is better than both.

F1 is now a travelling circus. Has been for many a year and will continue to be so.

Very little overtaking, to many rules, It's won in the pits.

Instead of going round for 60 laps each team does 1 lap, into the pits to change the wheels, fastest time wins.

all over in half an hour......Sorted.

Then put Bike racing on, 30 laps pure entertainment emoticon-0144-nod.gif

I've been actively involved in motorsport in several guises over the last 40 years, and I have NEVER EVER heard anybody ask where the toilets are, or why their isn't any lighting.

Absolute folly to believe such tripe and nonsense.

These so called 'motorsport fans' will presumably be requiring centrally heated accomodation to watch the event next then?

Who said anything about a survey?

This is from personal experience on events at places like Eppynt, the WyeDean, and from talking to the owners of Sweet Lamb, who I know. It is not from the "hardened" rally nut but from the people who come for a day out to see the fast cars, and are potentially the people who might be future marshalls etc. And yes I have also been involved for nearly as long, both as an organiser, competitor, marshal, safety officer and committee member.

As for First Aid, this has always been provided by various forms of medical support personell at events, the cost of which is taken from competitor entry fees.

Your reponse shows how out of touch you are. I will agree that COMPETITOR safty is covered by the various Stage Rescue and Medical crews. However large SPECTATOR area's now require Ambulances and First Aid personel over and above the Stage Safety Units. This year that is again being provide by St John in North and Mid Wales and the Red Cross on Eppynt. This has been the case for some years. Those bodies do not do it for free!

I suggest you have a look at what my job is on the WRGB this year.

Give me strength, what a massive load of old bunkum, and meanwhile I'll continuing marshalling and watching proper rallying for free for ALL spectators, in the form of the Cambrain, the Grizedale stages and various other clubman events during the year. :thumbup:

No, I think...as do many others I speak to...that this is simply another money grabbing excercise from the £££££ gin swiggers £££££ at MSA Towers.

My opinion, and yours is yours.

Whether you like it or not the WRGB is in the form it is for this year and possibly next as well. However as has been pointed out by others, some of the English regions are trying to find a way to provide the sponsership that the FIA require to move it out of Wales. The North East tried very hard this year, but because the body that was able to pay grants was abolished by Westminster they had to withdraw their offer, which did look like it might have been succesful. Look at what Speedsport posted earlier.

Who said anything about a survey?

This is from personal experience on events at places like Eppynt, the WyeDean, and from talking to the owners of Sweet Lamb, who I know. It is not from the "hardened" rally nut but from the people who come for a day out to see the fast cars, and are potentially the people who might be future marshalls etc. And yes I have also been involved for nearly as long, both as an organiser, competitor, marshal, safety officer and committee member.

Your reponse shows how out of touch you are. I will agree that COMPETITOR safty is covered by the various Stage Rescue and Medical crews. However large SPECTATOR area's now require Ambulances and First Aid personel over and above the Stage Safety Units. This year that is again being provide by St John in North and Mid Wales and the Red Cross on Eppynt. This has been the case for some years. Those bodies do not do it for free!

I suggest you have a look at what my job is on the WRGB this year.

Whether you like it or not the WRGB is in the form it is for this year and possibly next as well. However as has been pointed out by others, some of the English regions are trying to find a way to provide the sponsership that the FIA require to move it out of Wales. The North East tried very hard this year, but because the body that was able to pay grants was abolished by Westminster they had to withdraw their offer, which did look like it might have been succesful. Look at what Speedsport posted earlier.

Well quite obviously i cannot comment on what goes on at these WRC events in GB anymore with regard to crowd first aid provision, as I now no longer want to or offer and provide my services.

Strange how National and Clubman events, many of which attract very large crowds, don't seem to have this problem of requiring to charge spectators to go and stand in the forest to pay for St Johns.

I'm really not remotely interested what your job is on this years event btw.

Sadly this new breed of blinkerd spectator that you are seemingly refering to, appear to be wanting to be cossetted and wrapped up in complete OTT H&S crap, which has a great deal to do with many of the problems with this country as a whole now.

:dull:

I presume you won't like this then?

Rally GB 2012 back in Wales

Taken from BBC Wales News

The Welsh government is to invest £1.4m in next year's Wales Rally GB.

Business Minister Edwina Hart made the announcement ahead of the race's finish at Cardiff Castle, where she will present the prizes on Sunday.

Ms Hart said the rally brought benefits to Wales, including to retailers and hotels along the race stages "at a quieter time of year".

The minister said Wales has 30,000 people employed in automotive manufacturing, retail and maintenance with an annual turn over of £3bn.

Ms Hart said: "The value of the relationship between the staging of Wales Rally GB and Wales' automotive sector should not be underestimated".

"The rally provides an ideal platform for Wales to showcase its wide range of capabilities and technologies to the global automotive market.

"With the funding now in place, we can look forward to an even greater event in 2012," she said.

We hope to keep bringing innovation and fresh thinking to the rallyâ€

Andrew Coe, chief executive of Wales Rally GB's organiser, International Motor Sports Limited, said: "We are delighted to be able to extend our relationship with Wales for 2012, as we bring the event to an even greater audience and build on the success of the last decade in Wales.

"We hope to keep bringing innovation and fresh thinking to the rally and are delighted that the Welsh government has committed to joining us on this journey for 2012."

The grant funding is made up of a guaranteed cash sum of up to £1.2n and additional performance related payments of up to £200,000 linked to ticket sales and the generation of other commercial revenue, including private sector sponsorship.

F1 is now a travelling circus. Has been for many a year and will continue to be so.

Very little overtaking, to many rules, It's won in the pits.

Instead of going round for 60 laps each team does 1 lap, into the pits to change the wheels, fastest time wins.

all over in half an hour......Sorted.

Then put Bike racing on, 30 laps pure entertainment emoticon-0144-nod.gif

So you didn't watch it today then...like I don't bother watching bikers...cos it's boring.

So you didn't watch it today then...like I don't bother watching bikers...cos it's boring.

I'm a big fan of bike racing because it's more exciting in my opinion. I could never stay awake long enough to watch a whole F1 race although i find it technically very interesting.

Have a look at this clip of some real motor racing when the championship goes down to the last race and last corner and 0.006 seconds. F1 could only dream of things like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MjePvNcu8n4

So you didn't watch it today then...like I don't bother watching bikers...cos it's boring.

No I didn't watch it actually, It was on the News.

I presume you won't like this then?

Couldn't actually give a jot or monkey's chuff tbqh.

This event died many many years ago as a superb spectacle most sadly.

Nowt but a glitzy expensive rip off now.

I leave you and your fellow followers to carry on participating and bowing to the 'big wigs' that obviously know best <cough> at MSA towers,in what you obviously feel so passionate about, even if I and the droves of tens of thousands that no longer attend, don't.

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