Yeah it always amazes me how these discussions spiral off into all sort of off-topic stuff which is great but means that you sometimes have to try and read every post.

It's a good job the moderators aren't being ruthless and enforcing topic rules... we had a few spats a while ago about that on the MX5 owners club forums with people getting all up in arms about it. It's all calmed down now though.

Nice to see were all a lot more laid back over here!

Cheers

Otherwise this tuning box/chip lark sounds interesting... although I might have the odd problem trying to get it past my better half...

going back to the torque thing, I cannot agree more, BHP is good but torque should always be a higher figure, amazing that some of the "big bhp" boys have very little torque so need to be screamed hard:

Example:

Focus RS

210bhp

198 ft lb - down to 170 area for first and second!

No fun at all, I like the power low down and effortless!

(hence 231 lb ft torque :twisted: ..and 222bhp for good measure)