The Polo and A1 (and I think the Seat) are all dimensionally smaller vehicles, so unless there's some magickery going on, the vRS will weigh more.

Imagine the fun explaining how the heavier estate has a quicker top speed!

Of course VAG want you to buy the more expensive version - they're not daft! As for lying about figures - thats strong wording. Being economical with the truth is another matter, though. Emissions figures a con anyway - I'd love to know how the vRS has a higher emissions value than my Scirocco when it does more mpg on the same runs (and this is a 600 mile dash across Europe). Simple - cars get engineered to provide low figures for the tests that get carried out to give the magic CO2 figure. It isn't coincidence that so many vehicles magically achieve 119g/km...

The new Audi A3 engines are going less power & lighter cars supposedly.

VAG make up their own figures & generally lie about weights and emissions to suit the Customers,

Audi, VW, Seat, Skoda.

I still would like to know why the Polo & A1 have lower Road Tax/emissions, wider tyres, same engine, shown as lighter kerb weight,

shown as using less fuel than the vRS Hatch.

& the vRS gets 25kg stuck on the rear crash bar.

Is that because Audi & VW customers do not want the Cheaper car out performing their Expensive vehicle?

Or VAG do not think it would look good when it is picked up on if anyone buying an Audi or VW,

which i dont think they care really, they are not looking at buying a Skoda or even the SEAT when it was available.

Different buyers in a different market mostly.

george

I partially agree. I really laughed when I read a vbox-timed review of Polo GTi and vRS and they both resulted in doing the 0-62 in 7.1".... I understand it wouldn't sound nice if people read from the official figures of VW and Skoda, that they both do the 0-62 in the same time, so let's quote the vRS 0.2" slower and the polo 0.2" faster, problem solved.

Regarding weight and dimensions though, truth is that the Fabia is the only one still on the old platform, isn't it?

EDIT: Aaaah, got beaten again to it, this time by Phil.

Edited 5 September, 201213 yr by newbie69

It's all very well to say this high oil consumption is within tolerance but who decides that? VAG I suppose. Regardless of whether people can afford to pay for the oil it would still put me off buying a Fabia vrs.

They do not all use Oil tho at anything like these amounts,

& that is even when being driven hard and the MPG is down in the low 20's.

I was in looking at a Polo GTi & GT Blue, because i intend buying a new vRS before they stop making them.

It will not be the Polo i get, not the right seating for me in it.

Polo GTi Unladen weight 1269 kg,

vRS hatch 1243 kg

(without the 25kg weights this is 1218kg)

Polo GTi Gross vehicle weight 1680 kg

vRS Hatch GVW 1718 kg

GTi urban 37.5/7.5

extra urban 55.4/5.1

combined 47.9/5.9

officiial CO2 g/km 139

noise db 73.0

max speed 142 (i can understand with the bigger tyres, but not the emissions being lower with the tyres being wider)

vRS Hatch urban 36.7/7.7

extra urban 54.3 /5.2

combined 45.6/6.2

official CO2 g/km 148

max speed 139

Is the Polo that slicker & fuel efficient or is the gearing improved with the 215/40/17 tyres.

The vRS is certainly a bit quicker on the 215's IME. Traction off the line is better if that is important (tyre dependent obviously)

I prefer the normal road handling on the 205's tho

*Then the Audi A1 is a 182 bhp engine, on the 215's and still with lower emissions than the vRS,

CO2 139, 1190 kg unladen, GVW 1640 kg.

0-60 6.8, top speed 141,

Identical mpg figures given to that of the VW GTi.

george

Frontal area listed anywhere, I wonder? Panel gaps on the Skoda aren't anything to write home about either!

Very true.

But then roads go up as well as down and you get tail winds as well as head on and side winds.

Considering the Manufacturer produces the figures

& they are done inside & without Wind being a factor we know its not real world just simulators..

My panel gaps are very good actually, but then i am used to Land Rovers

& you could not use a Guard Dog in them as they might escape through the gaps.

george

I'm making an assumption that they're done on a calibrated rolling road (chassis dyno if you prefer), in which case the drag coefficient can be built into the resistance based on the road speed (I've worked on many a system like that). Lowering a vehicle can help with emissions (BMW do this with the 320D Efficient Dynamics model) plus tyres can make a percentage point or two difference. The Fabia is tall (which is one of the things that drew me to it, and away from an Audi A5) - swings and roundabouts - so its easy to get the 82 year old mother in law in....

Yep financially the oil usage bill isn't a big deal...but what is it doing long term to the engine/CAT etc?? Mines used 6ltrs in 8k now, within VW limits granted, but I'm getting a little concerned by the sooty rear pipes, the flecks of soot on the rear of the boot etc...not good. oh well 4days until in for it's 1st year service, get my concerns recorded then...oh and check the oil level on getting it back

Regarding vRS examples that use quite a lot of oil,has anyone observed whether the oil in the sump (as seen on the dipstick)stays clean between changes or soon gets quite black?..if you can't see where I'm going with this I'll let you know after some answers.

Beautifully Golden for 2000 miles, which is the longest i have had the same quality oil in for,

(that oil was not dumped,

it was used again in another engine after some filtering, which was not actually necessary.)

george

Been discussing this issue with my dealer as about to order a VRS, with some encouragement from me they reckon that the latest engines have been 'fixed' to this issue due to a modification to a pipe (breather hose i guess) and a software update (not sure what this would be as changes to boost map settings would probably mean a repeat of homologation).

Sounds more like a band-aid than a real fix, but does show that the issue is clearly recognised and that they are trying to remedy it.

Don't think it is going to stop me from ordering, but would agree with previous comments that I would be more worried about long term effect on other things (especially the CAT) rather than the cost of the oil top-ups.

Andy

Yep financially the oil usage bill isn't a big deal...but what is it doing long term to the engine/CAT etc?? Mines used 6ltrs in 8k now, within VW limits granted, but I'm getting a little concerned by the sooty rear pipes, the flecks of soot on the rear of the boot etc...not good. oh well 4days until in for it's 1st year service, get my concerns recorded then...oh and check the oil level on getting it back

I fully agree with you. Because of the long term concerns, I instigated action through Skoda UK yesterday as per my previous post. You may wish to do the same as your oil consumption is similar to mine. Talk to Phil at Skoda Customer Services (phone or email via the website). He implied that they hadn't had so many complaints about this! I now have to decide whether to go through the process of having the oil drained, weighed, re-filled, drive 300 km, drained and weighed again. I don't want to then be told that it is within limits. A new TPI has just been issued to dealers which I believe relates to the oil breather modification. However, you can't have this fix applied without going through the consumption test, which is annoying. Can anyone find out the contents of this TPI? Skoda Customer Services said that piston ring replacement is still a possible outcome following the oil consumption test although admitted that it hasn't always resolved consumption issues.

I fully agree with you. Because of the long term concerns, I ....

I don't want to then be told that it is within limits...

Just thinking, If the long-term effects of consuming 500ml/1000 km were as crucial to other components as some are fearing, wouldn't VW be signing their "death sentence" by officially writing "this consumption can be expected", in the User Manual? It sounds too foolish to have been overlooked.

Also, what about other cars which are known to consume even more than the 1.4 tsi? Do all of them have Cat replacements that often etc.?

Beautifully Golden for 2000 miles, which is the longest i have had the same quality oil in for,

(that oil was not dumped,

it was used again in another engine after some filtering, which was not actually necessary.)

george

My simple old school theory was that if the piston rings were at fault and were allowing oil past them into the combustion chambers to be burnt,then it would be normal for carbon and other contaminents of combustion to pass the rings in the other direction and soon turn the sump oil black.

So,if the sump oil stays clean,it suggests the piston rings may be OK.

I have no engineering qualifications,so excuse me if the above is nonsense!!!

Been discussing this issue with my dealer as about to order a VRS, with some encouragement from me they reckon that the latest engines have been 'fixed' to this issue due to a modification to a pipe (breather hose i guess) and a software update (not sure what this would be as changes to boost map settings would probably mean a repeat of homologation).

Sounds more like a band-aid than a real fix, but does show that the issue is clearly recognised and that they are trying to remedy it.

Don't think it is going to stop me from ordering, but would agree with previous comments that I would be more worried about long term effect on other things (especially the CAT) rather than the cost of the oil top-ups.

Andy

Well my order is in and I don't mind some oil top-ups,my current 08 petrol Octy vRs has always needed about a litre every 2500 miles.

However reading this sort of stuff persuaded me to pay to extend the warranty to 5 years and I wouldn't anticipate keeping the car any longer...i.e I want warranty back up throughout my ownership!!!

mine doesn't use a drop, and its stays pretty golden for 10k....

It would be great to see any Skoda or VAG official statements or Notifications and Instructions to Dealerships or Technicians.

Just seen this from another members post, & i know nothing else. Other than the Dealerships deserve a 3 Monkeys award.

See no Evil, Hear no Evil & say no Evil.

george

Does anyone have anything more up to date than this, or Official in writting stuff?

Checked my oil last night and done nearly 2k since the service. I've been busy so haven't had time to check it since. I've driven pretty hard lately too. Been to Aberystwyth and back fairly quickly with my parents then driven flat out back up to Snowdon a week later. Taken my cousin for a blast in it too along his favourite road and it's all been fine. All in all it's used about 200ml and before someone argues it wasn't right from the service it was. Had the service in the morning, double checked it, went to Aber and check again and it was spot on

Just thinking, If the long-term effects of consuming 500ml/1000 km were as crucial to other components as some are fearing, wouldn't VW be signing their "death sentence" by officially writing "this consumption can be expected", in the User Manual? It sounds too foolish to have been overlooked.

Also, what about other cars which are known to consume even more than the 1.4 tsi? Do all of them have Cat replacements that often etc.?

Hi Newbie...well if the consumption was to be expected, why don't all TSI's use oil??

Could they be hedging their bets and just by adding that statement, knowing that not all engines have oil usage issues and that long term damage will be outside warranty anyhow??

Why are they replacing this engine in what is quite a short production run, is it because they know long term this engine is a duffer??

Any particulate exiting out of an exhaust is not going to be good the the cat!

Er I'm not familar with the issues regarding ****el's so i don't know if they suffer from long term engine/component damage through exessive oil issues??