OK, now we've reached a truly epic 150 posts, how about a slight amendment to my earlier post?

I think after 132 posts we are all agreed xenon headlights are brighter.

From where I am sat brighter lights are better.

Are they worth the price? Only you know the answer to that!

Edited 28 November, 201213 yr by silver1011

Didn't even know my 2nd hand Scout came with Xenons until the first time I drove it at night, was pleasently surprised and noticed the improvement immediately (Unless of course Hyundai Santa-Fe's simply have terrible headlights)

Classic.

Thank you.

Pointless argument??? The fact i have to explain this one to you means you shouldnt be on a public forum. Of course its pointless.....its only a forum. Adults discuss their opinions an experiences on a given topic but none of it really matters in reality.

Good. I'm glad you agree with me there.

What a complete and utter typical example of a fanboy response.

Wrong. I am not a "Fan" or a "Boy"

You slate my valid comments based on my experiences then state one is better than the other with no back up comments or shared experiences then state "the end".

Your comments aren't valid......in my opinion.

Absolute classic tosh of the highest order.

Which bit.....I hardly wrote anything......the fact that I disagree with you?

No wonder you paid £800 for your lights.

I didn't

Let you Mum or Dad back on the computer now please before their Briskoda profile is tarnished by your nonsense.

Yes, I do love a mature debate!

Anyway two and a half weeks and 153 posts........we'll have to agree to disagree.

Thank you.

Good. I'm glad you agree with me there.

Wrong. I am not a "Fan" or a "Boy"

Your comments aren't valid......in my opinion.

Which bit.....I hardly wrote anything......the fact that I disagree with you?

I didn't

Yes, I do love a mature debate!

Anyway two and a half weeks and 153 posts........we'll have to agree to disagree.

I cant even summon the words to respond appropriately. I cant think of anything that truly encapsulates how irrelevant you or your input has been.

Actually, I cant think of anything that truly encapsulates how irrelevant you or your input has been either.

How do you propose we resond to the numpty comments like - "the end"?? I suppose we could ignore them but i cant help myself and they deserve to be told. Having a difference of opinion and discussing it on this thread is enjoyable. I respect someone elses opinion on xenons as long as they are sensible and factual but when idiots try and sway the argument one way or another with nonsense posts then thats what ruins it not people debating or even arguing over a topic. Arguing is ok except when its taken too far. I have avtually learned a lot about xenons from this thread but i still maintain my opinion over certain types of them. Why does this warrant the numpty comments??

The discussions, however heated, can yield some interesting and sometimes hitherto little known views and information. I find it's usually those people who post nonsense posts are the ones who usually cry "troll troll!" at some point too, or refused to back up their assertions with any form of supplementary information. All that is heard is "it's wrong because I/someone else says so" but nothing to back it up. They tend to also go very quiet when presented with the results of others' investigations.

I have always been open to, and on occasion have had, a change of opinion when the information presented backs up a different viewpoint.

"Numpty comments" and cry's of "troll" will always come from the ill-informed, those who are unable to see or understand where the other viewpoints are coming from.

From what I have seen of HID vs Halogen, HID seems to be more consistent in the spread of light, especially in conditions where ambient light is variable in amount and quality. Once in the dark an on a dual carriageway, the HID advantage reduces to a degree. I'll be on the move later around 23:30 along an unlit motorway. On this section I honestly don't think that HID would give any additional benefit.

I believe (as in the neutral downhill thread) that nothing is equal and different locations demand (or give) different conditions. Just because I spend 95% of my mileage on motorways, doesn't mean I don't understand there are those who spend 95% of their mileage in town in some very well-lit areas.

Knowing all the ramifications involved, I will be ordering a set of retro-fit HIDs for my Octavia and seeing for myself (my own research if you will) if there is an advantage for me to keep them fitted or not. Having seen various discussions, I will be looking for a set of 55w/5000K H7's (non-CANBus) - if anyone has any recommendations.

Actually, I cant think of anything that truly encapsulates how irrelevant you or your input has been either.

So you cant see how my opinions of halogens and xenons are relevant on a thread about halogens and xenon lights??

Someone call NHS 24 quick and ask for the spaz department.

If the above comment locks this thread then i weep for the future.

The discussions, however heated, can yield some interesting and sometimes hitherto little known views and information. I find it's usually those people who post nonsense posts are the ones who usually cry "troll troll!" at some point too, or refused to back up their assertions with any form of supplementary information. All that is heard is "it's wrong because I/someone else says so" but nothing to back it up. They tend to also go very quiet when presented with the results of others' investigations.

I have always been open to, and on occasion have had, a change of opinion when the information presented backs up a different viewpoint.

"Numpty comments" and cry's of "troll" will always come from the ill-informed, those who are unable to see or understand where the other viewpoints are coming from.

From what I have seen of HID vs Halogen, HID seems to be more consistent in the spread of light, especially in conditions where ambient light is variable in amount and quality. Once in the dark an on a dual carriageway, the HID advantage reduces to a degree. I'll be on the move later around 23:30 along an unlit motorway. On this section I honestly don't think that HID would give any additional benefit.

I believe (as in the neutral downhill thread) that nothing is equal and different locations demand (or give) different conditions. Just because I spend 95% of my mileage on motorways, doesn't mean I don't understand there are those who spend 95% of their mileage in town in some very well-lit areas.

Knowing all the ramifications involved, I will be ordering a set of retro-fit HIDs for my Octavia and seeing for myself (my own research if you will) if there is an advantage for me to keep them fitted or not. Having seen various discussions, I will be looking for a set of 55w/5000K H7's (non-CANBus) - if anyone has any recommendations.

I agree with everything stated here. ( Which makes a change) Will be interested to see your thoughts on the reto fit HID once you get them from a cost / effectiveness point of view in relation to both xenon and halogens.

If the above comment locks this thread then i weep for the future.

OK guys, please don't go spoiling it for the rest of us who are actually following this thread with interest.

I will be looking for a set of 55w/5000K H7's (non-CANBus) - if anyone has any recommendations.

Any reason you have chosen 5000K and not the OEM 4300K?

OK guys, please don't go spoiling it for the rest of us who are actually following this thread with interest.

I think ive been following it more than most as i have a genuine interest in it yet if one side of the argument is discounted then whats the point? Im not ruining it for anyone its yer mate booke23 who needs to take the credit for that one. I'll try and not bite from now on but i cant promise anything.

It comes with practice, I'm guilty of my fair share of heated debates that have ended up dragging an otherwise useful thread off topic.

I've learnt now to rise above it, chill, take a deep breath, and ignore the offending comments.

I've even gone as far as to not go back into a thread before to see what was being said in the knowledge that all I had to offer was retaliation. Let it go.

Edited 28 November, 201213 yr by silver1011

OK guys, please don't go spoiling it for the rest of us who are actually following this thread with interest.

Agreed

Im not ruining it for anyone its yer mate booke23 who needs to take the credit for that one.

I've hardly said a thing. You've managed to wind yourself up virtually single handedly.

Referring to me as a "numpty" is borderline offensive and I overlooked that. Referring to me as a Spaz is grossly offensive and I suggest you retract that comment immediately.

Agreed

I've hardly said a thing. You've managed to wind yourself up virtually single handedly.

Referring to me as a "numpty" is borderline offensive and I overlooked that. Referring to me as a Spaz is grossly offensive and I suggest you retract that comment immediately.

I retract my spaz statement. Your right. Its not fair on them.

Seriously though lets call it a day. I will if you will. Actually feel free to have the last word and i wont respond.

Any reason you have chosen 5000K and not the OEM 4300K?

IIRC isn't 5000K supposed to be the closest to white? I think the LED sidelights are 6000k, so 4300k would look quite a bit different. Originally thought about 6000k HIDs to match, but really want to get as close to white as possible.

I agree with everything stated here. ( Which makes a change) Will be interested to see your thoughts on the reto fit HID once you get them from a cost / effectiveness point of view in relation to both xenon and halogens.

No change really, sometimes even the greatest of enemies have things in common. Plus I tend to take thinks on a thread-by-thread basis.

Hopefully once I've got them I'll try and grab some comparison pictures. Given where I work, should be able to grab a couple from a higher up angle too ;)

My experiences - worth what you pay for it. I ordered some 5000k 50w HIDs. On opening, the ballast and so on were so big they would not fit in the headlamp shell. I did try them and they were very bright, subjectively "twice as bright". but the inability to hide them away(for environmental protection) put me off. I swapped them for the 35w ones from Londoncolour on ebay. This was a couple of years ago, so things are quite likely to have improved now.

I cant remember how white or blue they were - just wowed by their light output. But then that was in comparison to std dismal halogens. I have found the 4300k ones to be very white to drive behind, especially compared to the guttering candle effect of the "super" halogen Philips/Osram main beam.

This site has some images/graphs which show the difference quite well. Draw your own conclusions.

http://www.sibirskyextreme.com/hid50/about/50-watt-vs-35-watt/

I have no way to measure, but isn't 4300k claimed to be closest to sunlight? However white the sum may be. Kids always paint it yellow, and out of the mouths (and brushes) and all that.

Anyone on standard bulbs as a minimum should switch to Osram Nightbreaker Plus (about £10) or Phillips X-Treme 100% (£20).

100% improvement over stock and a lot closer to Xenons/HIDs. I did it yesterday with the Philips and extremely pleased. I know they are not as good as HIDS/Xenons (I've had them before) but not far off.

Totally agree the std halogen headlamps on the Scout are very poor. A set of Philips Extreme Vision bulbs have made a big difference.

Regretting not specifying the xenons though.

Mark

Totally agree the std halogen headlamps on the Scout are very poor. A set of Philips Extreme Vision bulbs have made a big difference.

Regretting not specifying the xenons though.

Mark

A few folk on here claim these uprated bulbs dont last very long. How true is this? £10 or £20 seems good value if they are twice as bright as halogens. Can the main beam bulbs be uprated also?

Will be interested to see your thoughts on the reto fit HID once you get them from a cost / effectiveness point of view in relation to both xenon and halogens.

Did this change some time ago from halogens to a retrofit HID kit at 6000k and 55w.

The difference was amazing - very much brighter and a fantastic spread of light across the full width of the road with much better reflection from signs etc. Also a perfect match for my LED sidelight replacements.

I'd be loathe to go back to Halogens now.

IIRC isn't 5000K supposed to be the closest to white? I think the LED sidelights are 6000k, so 4300k would look quite a bit different. Originally thought about 6000k HIDs to match, but really want to get as close to white as possible.

Agreed that OEM xenon's (4300K - I'm quoting this as OEM but don't know for sure, its just what I've picked from Briskoda) look slightly odd next to the OEM side lights.

I've only ever driven behind OEM but I've also read going up to 5000K , 6000K doesn't alway result in better visability.

I guess it depends on whether the value in HID's is their light output or how cool you look to other motorists

as soon as you go over 4.3k you start to loose output. Reason being that as you go past white and into blue you sacrifice output, this is just how the colour spectrum works.

Example in halogens is the white white ones such as Philips Diamond white have completely blue bulbs. Yes they look great, nice and white but are usless for driving at night. I've tried the philip diamond white in H4 format and they are nothing short of dangerously bad and imo should have a warning of "not suitable for night time use" on the box.

Im pretty sure silver you are correct as all the replacement hid's (D1S bulbs) i've seen are 4.3k (and £90+ each...gulp lol). When you see oem hid's looking blue for a split second thats the light bending and not the bulb colour temperature its self

in my previous car (astra) - i tried 6000k, 5000 & 4300k hids (D2S).

the best was the 4300k. both practicality & looks. 6000k was next to useless in the night & pointless in the wet.

in my previous car (astra) - i tried 6000k, 5000 & 4300k hids (D2S).

the best was the 4300k. both practicality & looks. 6000k was next to useless in the night & pointless in the wet.

Was there much between 4,300 and 5000? I've just ordered 5000k as I figured it wouldn't be much different to the 4,300 in performance, just slightly whiter. Now I'm wondering if I should have kept to 4.3.......