Hello, I'm currently driving a Touran (I know it's not a Skoda but it's similar..), my first dsg box. It's great, smooth changes and power is there most of the time except for this one little thing..

How in the world do you drive in city start stop traffic???

I think my braking is quite linear then I relax the pressure (but not completely off) as coming to stop, when this happens it engages clutch and lurch forward. Applying more brake kills it instantly but makes it jerky. Speeds are of 5mph or less.

I started to kick it to N and roll to a stop, but that isn't always possible as occasionally its quite frequent rolling stop/start. Going N to D while moving is also jerky.

The clutch comes in like a switch unlike a proper auto. It's only a few days old, so does it just need learning? Is this just the way it is? How do I overcome this problem?

Thanks for reading.

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Coming from many autos - i do find the slow start-stop very heavy jerky like.

The hill start is worst whn normal auto allow a smooth move off,

the hill start i have to apply enough pressure to disengage the hill start

which is usuall more thn enough to move a few feet in traffic.

Still - i am new to all this so will be intrigue wot others say ...

I've recently switched to a DSG and it took a bit of getting used to.

The key is when you brake and start to reduce the pressure on the pedal, not to lift it back up too much and keep a little more pressure there.

Have a little practise in a car park and feel for the point in the brake pedal that it starts to engage the clutch. If you keep the pedal below this point you won't get the clutch engaging again and so should be able to avoid the jerk.

I have also found hill starts very easy and smooth. My doesn't have hill hold and I don't need to use the handbrake. What I do is start to take some pressure of the brake pedal until I can feel the clutch engaging that then gives me plenty of time to get to the throttle while the car holds itself on the clutch.

Phil

Phil

Thts a real interesting method on hill start.

Nice one!

I have hill control (sorry still new to these new names).

Always thought how u prevent a DSG car from rolling backwards if no Hill Control !

I suppose if a steep slope thn a different method?

Cant use handbrake whilst in D?

Seems strange . Mine doesnt jerk around town in stop start traffic. This is my 2nd DSG car and the 1st one was good also. My new one is far superior whe it comes to hil starts although still not as good as a torque converter but it never struggles. Only on extreemly steep inclines do i need to give it some thought and even then quickly shuffling from brake to throttle suffices. My VRS DSG is impressively smooth in stop start driving, this is where i actually think it excells as mine seems to transition very quickly between clutch in or out. Even dabbing and releasing the brakes and throttle repeatedly dont seem to catch it out. My older DSG golf, a 56 plate, was slightly more hesitant clutching and de-clutching but i would still never call it jerky.

Maybe there is different DSG software in the touran as i rate my DSG as being smoother than my BMW torque convertor auto when driving round town. The only time i would consider my DSG box as a bit slow is when engaging reverse as it seems to take a second or 2 to then release the clutch before creeping back but i can live with this.

Mine seems to crawl very well and very quickly upon releasing the footbrake. I actually thought it slips the clutch as i always select N at lights as i can hear the engine note changing like its not straining anymore. When i release the foot brake after re-engaging D as the lights turn green there is virtually no lag whatsoever before the car crawls.

My car was brand new last August so it must be a software issue i would suspect.

EDIT - just noticed a few spelling mistakes so apologies to the grammar police.

Edited 20 February, 201313 yr by Jockdooshbag

Jock!

Typos?

I m on mobile so excuse me text-speak, auto corrects and typos! Lol

As i said, maybe just me being new and not used to DSG.

But i never had issues with other autos.

My 120d was super smooth.

As was the Scooby.

Though i too notice the non-Jap cars are usually snow in reverse selection,

a safety feature?

I need to practice more the tips this thread has offered ...

Jock!

Typos?

I m on mobile so excuse me text-speak, auto corrects and typos! Lol

As i said, maybe just me being new and not used to DSG.

But i never had issues with other autos.

My 120d was super smooth.

As was the Scooby.

Though i too notice the non-Jap cars are usually snow in reverse selection,

a safety feature?

I need to practice more the tips this thread has offered ...

I have owned a lot of autos so maybe my driving style has changed over the years so that i dont notice it being jerky. Just went and collected my car after getting some body work done so i deliberately tried it out on the way back to work. Crawled along at 5-10mph and repeatedly hit the brakes and then eased off and then applied throttle and repeated but i couldnt recreate the symptoms you speak of. It was nothing but silky smooth. I believe the DSG boxs learns your driving style so maybe if the car had been getting thrashed for a few miles with lots of full throttle then full brakes this might fool the box if the car suddenly was crawling in stop start traffic.

Nope!

I look after me car like she was my 1st wife!

Even getting 39mpg on a 6mile commute at 6am in 2.5degrees!

The 6 speed wet clutch DSG is very smooth, very close to a torque converter auto, it will happily slip the clutch in 2nd in stop start traffic. The oil lubricates the clutch plates to prevent wear and dissipates the heat. Jock will have this box in his Octy vRS.

The 7 speed dry clutch DSG always tries to have the clutch fully engaged or fully disengaged to prevent wear and heat. It also has a very low first gear. This requires a very gentle driving technique at slow speeds and is no where near as friendly as a torque converter auto.

Cheers

Lee

Edited 20 February, 201313 yr by logiclee

Good to know it's not me driving like a lunatic! Yeah it is the 7 speed box. And only a 1.6tdi..

It does have this tendency to be on or off the clutch and never in between.

I have gotten a little better after reading some advice here. But when going into central London I still end up having the lurch when I start the 0-30-0 every 300 yrds. I can't really accelerate any slower as I kind if need to 'follow traffic', I can try brake earlier but again it's difficult as when you accelerate slow people cut you up and take the space (understandably)... Argh.. Silly dsg not suited for London.

Note: when I say 'follow' I mean I end up having 4-6 car lengths in front of me by the time it gets to cruise speed..

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I have the 6 speed!

Phil

Thts a real interesting method on hill start.

Nice one!

I have hill control (sorry still new to these new names).

Always thought how u prevent a DSG car from rolling backwards if no Hill Control !

I suppose if a steep slope thn a different method?

Cant use handbrake whilst in D?

On steep hills you need to use the handbrake otherwise it starts to roll back slightly.

You put the handbrake on and hold the foot brake then when you are ready to move off you let go of the foot brake and release the handbrake at about the same time and by the time you have taken the handbrake off and on the gas the clutch has engaged and you're off.

Mine is obviously the 6 speed box too which I think helps with the smoothness. You can feel it slipping the clucth into 2nd gear etc but makes it very smooth.

Would still not go back to manual now... just love DSG. Had such a nice drive to Bridlington yesterday. Overtaking is so easy!

The 6 speed wet clutch DSG is very smooth, very close to a torque converter auto, it will happily slip the clutch in 2nd in stop start traffic. The oil lubricates the clutch plates to prevent wear and dissipates the heat. Jock will have this box in his Octy vRS.

The 7 speed dry clutch DSG always tries to have the clutch fully engaged or fully disengaged to prevent wear and heat. It also has a very low first gear. This requires a very gentle driving technique at slow speeds and is no where near as friendly as a torque converter auto.

Cheers

Lee

Good explanation. Thats my new thing learned for today.

So! Yesterday I drove in rush hour for 3 hours on the A40/M25, proper stop go traffic for the most of the journey............................

Anyway, what I found out was when stationary from N to D or D in brake no clutch to full release of brake, it jumps from 0mph to ~5mph in next to no time, like an on-off switch.

Scenario 1 - I apply brake (traffic), coming to a stop, there is a point of pressure of brake applied to speed ratio the clutch starts kicking in, problem is that is a ratio. So! if you brake 5% power from 5-10mph fine.. once below that if you are still 5% braking power at 2-3mph clutch comes in fully and launches you forward. (Great...).

So option A) is apply more brake to a stop, cuts the clutch completely and stops to a halt, very jerky. B ) release/feather brake, speed builds ECU/clutch gets confused even more...

Scenario 2 - flick it into N and let it coast/gentle braking till stationary again, problem with this is its somewhat dangerous for the distance of coasting. The other issue is when the cars in front suddenly move off again (Rolling stops?) you cant whack it back into D without having the brake pressed at a certain level.

I end up going D - N - D so often its like me pressing the clutch on the manual.. so all I've gained from a DSG in heavy traffic is transferring my clutch foot to my left hand........... :think:

Does this sound familiar with anyone with the same box?

On a side note, parking the car in the middle of the night was also entertaining... clutch in.. or clutch out..... nothing in between because the car was cold. May just leave my handbrake on next time to park.....

Sounds like a not good one!

You said a Touran.

So what engine,

which DSG,

how many gears, EDIT, (i see now that it is a 7 speed 1.6TDi)

how old,

how many miles on the car,

has the gearbox had a service/oil change if it is one that requires oil changes?

Whos car,?

just out of noseyness!

george

Probably done 300 miles now, its a new car. I'll probably be driving it most often, so I'll need to get used to it. Or the car may settle in.. eventually..

Going to get other people to jump in and have a go just to prove Im not going crazy...

ps we also have a merc c class auto and reparked that yday in the middle of the night also, clutch movement was so smooth in comparison.

I tend to leave a bigger gap between me and the car in front in traffic and allow the car to creep in 1st gear using the manual option on the stick so minimal need to stop and start, I know this isn't always possible, I also find myself left foot braking so as you can feel the clutch bite then just creep off smoothly, the left foot method is also good for a quick get away at junctions as the clutch is giving some take up and no delay when you stab the throttle.

As for hill starts, handbrake on, foot off the brakes and the car sits the back end down, release the handbrake and drive off as normal or as you would in a manual car. You need to anticipate the car more than you would with a wet auto box or a manual.

If the total miles where 300 miles the brakes will not even have worn off their newness,

and the box will have had little chance to get any pattern of use.

Its why demonstrators can feel so jerky with an assortment of users.

Giving a bad impression of DSG's often.

My car needs to calm down after a session of my other half driving. A few miles of my type of use until behaving as i like

(Tramadol needed.)

george

Ok, update - it doesn't like speeds of 2-3mph. There's this feel of clutch coming in and out whenever at that speed. Whether it be cruise slowly or parking. Stupid.

The only way to make it smoother is actually not hover at those speeds.. So hoon up to the car in front then brake harder. Stupid.

Braking and lifting then reapply brake is a no no because it thinks you want to go faster. Stupid.

>_>

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