Well today on my drive to work I was having a play (Noticed a mates EX GF right behind me in a 120d Coupe) and being a noble friend I absolutely had to show her what's what and pull away from her!

I was in 7D doing 50ish and used the paddles to drop it down to 5th so the engine speed was near to 4k revs. I then planted my foot down smoothly (still used to driving a PD130) and when I got near to full throttle the DSG suddenly dropped down into 3rd obviously making the revs go right up into over 6k and then onto the 7k redline before changing to 4th before I could even use the paddles!!!

Is this normal behaviour? I know the kick down normally drops two gears, but to me I don't think the car needed to go into 3rd at around 50mph! especially for just under 1,000 revs before hitting the redline and then changing up to 4th!

Only had the car 3 weeks and still getting used to this awesome little DSG box, just finding it difficult to judge what it's going to do when driving 'briskly' As in my MK1 I would just use the torque in 4/5th at that speed.

Oh and I did pull away from the BMW

She wasn't expecting that from a blue Skoda.

Dave's car would do this when I drove it to Prague.

It seems that it would use all of the available revs.

Didn't think it would kickdown in manual mode?

It does if you hit the last "hard" bit of the pedal. Full throttle (100%) is actually achieved just before that last bit,

Didn't think it would kickdown in manual mode?

I thought that too! But it did which is strange.

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The reason it kicked down is that there is a switch below the peddle that is depressed when the peddle is floored. Kickdown IMO actually slows the car down. It changes to too low a gear revs like crazy, then has to change gear immediately and its not exactly sympathetic mechanically.

FWIW, you do not need to put the accelerator to the floor for 100% throttle acceleration. At a little over 3/4 depression of the accelerator, the car will open the throttle 100% making the remaining pedal movement redundant. Stock 44% throttle at 2000rpm = around 65-77% load demand. The best thing about my old Jabbasport map was the linear throttle mapping. 44% throttle = 44% throttle demand. So much better.

Basically you dont need to go beyond about 3/4 throttle for full acceleration. TBH, you get used to the kick down. When i first got mine i used to activate by accident all the time, these days, i never do.

It's not strange at all. That's just how it's programmed and it happens in all vRSs. Kickdown is never disabled even in "Manual" mode. Haven't you wondered why auto shift-down (although a little later) is also always enabled in "Manual" mode? These two things never turn off. Actually the only "manual" thing about "Manual" mode is the point at which you choose to shift up. All the rest function exactly as in Auto mode.

Edited 11 April, 201313 yr by newbie69

Cheers for the replies guys! I never knew that about the pedal and relation to actual full throttle! Makes sense as I do feel the 'hard' bit of the throttle, I just wrongly assumed that bit was full throttle.

I didn't like it as I agree it doesn't feel sympathetic to the engine getting it to scream like that and it actually slows the car down as it feels like it's hitting the rev limiter, pausing and then shifting up.

It's certainly trickier to drive quickly and smoothly than the MK1 but I guess I'm still learning!

It's not strange at all. That's just how it's programmed and it happens in all vRSs. Kickdown is never disabled even in "Manual" mode. Haven't you wondered why auto shift-down (although a little later) is also always enabled in "Manual" mode? These two things never turn off. Actually the only "manual" thing about "Manual" mode is the point at which you choose to shift up. All the rest function exactly as in Auto mode.

Yeah I sort of realised that, I knew that in Manual mode it would still shift down eventually, it's just the kickdown feature that I didn't fully understand. But now that I know what to expect and how to avoid it!

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Cheers for the replies guys! I never knew that about the pedal and relation to actual full throttle! Makes sense as I do feel the 'hard' bit of the throttle, I just wrongly assumed that bit was full throttle.

All VAGs cars are like it from stock. They do it because it makes a car feel faster than it is from smaller inputs to the throttle. Drive a renaultsport car though and its linear pedal. The likes of REVO, APR, R-TEC etc all offer linear throttle maps for their 2.0TFSI maps to make throttle modulation easier.

I had to ask Jabba to do it for me on my vRS after a trackday at Mallory inthe wet. Going around Gerrards in heavy rain at just shy of 3/4 throttle in 3rd gear when the slightest input would put the car on full throttle despite having nearly 3/4 of pedal travel left. Makes for a skittish car lol. Gerrards in the dry is easier though as your going faster and in 4th gear so you dont have that 3/4 throttle issue

Haha bet that was a clenching moment!

I didn't notice the MK1 fabia having that sort of throttle response, but I guess you wouldn't notice as much with it being a torque'y manual diesel with no kick down to accidently activate!

I would much prefer a linear pedal response otherwise you may aswell just be driving a go kart!

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Love kick down, You can be propper lazy with dropping cogs, I want to go..... slam foot and WEEEEEEE!!

The smart i had used to do it but that was only 90bhp so it was needed to get it to shift, You learn where the button is and ajust your foot accordingly without knowing it.

massive fun!

As said above, the "kickdown" is just a switch atthe bottom of the throttle travel. Don't want it to kock down do not operate the switch . If you do not have a habit of driving wearing heavy duty site safety boots and have a rudimentary feel in the soles of your feet there's no problem with feeilng where the switch is.

Also none linear throttle response gives you 100% air flow without 100% pedal depression.

Normal and annoying when you forget.Took a while to learn how much throttle is needed but I haven't had too much trouble.

As is said, it's normal. Even my 1.6 16v Tiptronic does it.

Normal and annoying when you forget.Took a while to learn how much throttle is needed but I haven't had too much trouble.

To me it happens when "red mist" descends

As if there was any correlation between how much I want to put that pedal through the firewall and how fast it actually goes

Yes, mines done that. Dropped down on paddles 7th-4th accidentally hit kick down it goes down 4th-3rd, I press up 3rd-4th(in theory), it's already hit the revs to go up from 4th and ended up in 5th bogged down.

Yes, mines done that. Dropped down on paddles 7th-4th accidentally hit kick down it goes down 4th-3rd, I press up 3rd-4th(in theory), it's already hit the revs to go up from 4th and ended up in 5th bogged down.

this is one of the hardest things about going to a semi auto.... letting the car do the gears for you, Just trusing the car to put it in hec correct gear for you, Remembering to not correct your errors as the car normally ajusts it automaticlly.

Oh gosh I've done that a few times, normally when I was 'showing off' the new toy to my Dad and my friends.

Hitting the up shift paddle just as the car decides it wants to shift up, so I go up two gears and it bogs down.

Ha! My excuse is always. . 'Errr the DSG is still learning my driving style, it does that!'

Still loving my warm estate though.

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Still loving my warm estate though.

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I think we just managed to coin a new phrase here!

I think we just managed to coin a new phrase here!

Well if I call it a hot estate people kick off hehe!

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Ha ha ha, I know what you mean!

I'm sure I've read that you can buy a remap for the DSG box. This disables the kickdown switch in manual mode. There other features to the map too, such as 'Launch Control'.

Could you post the info JimH plz?

Could you post the info JimH plz?

After using the search button, I've found threads like these:

http://www.briskoda....remap-for-dsg7/

http://www.briskoda....rbox-remapping/

I think I first heard about it when reading a thread on SCN about the Ibiza Cupra. http://www.seatcupra...ad.php?t=271220