'Only a Proposal', 'Part of a review'.

 

Just an idea that we could park on Double Yellow lines for up to 15 minutes.

 

Why do they not just take a holiday, a driving holiday in the UK, maybe go fly a real kite instead of the stupid

ideas they put into the news everytime they need some sort of story to look like the government are interested in Shopkeepers, shoppers or the ordinary person.

Was any thought given to why Double Yellows were put where there are?

 

george

Sounds like hot air, have they run out of sensible things to discuss?

When did Jeremy Clarkson become special adviser to the Transport Minister? FFS.

It's also completely unnecessary; there is an existing dashed single yellow line marking for use when parking time at $location is restricted in duration but non-0.

 

I would bakc this up with an Highway Code quote, but this stuff is now only available in downloads!

Surely only said to provoke the Lib-Dems,who obligingly took the bait.

We have a lot of Blue Badge holders in Lincolnshire who park on Double yellows with impunity ,and it seems to make little difference....

'Blue Badges', do allow you to park almost with impunity, if not causing a problems, as the Orange Badge before did.

 

If you cause an Obstruction or abuse the Badge, it does not stop you getting a ticket.

If the Wrong people are getting them or the badge is abused, that is no reason to stop those that requires

them, from having the benefit that they are there to provide.

 

Most Places Traffic Wardens are quick enough to Question Blue Badge Holders as to why, where and what.

& move those abusers on, or report the possible Badge Misuse,

 

If 2 Blue badge holders were to park opposite either, and cause an obstruction at least one of them should be getting a ticket.

 

george

 

PS

The reporter on 'SKY' is standing on a street in York and a Fed Ex van pulls up to do a delivery, stopping on a double yellow,

then he goes on about that being illegal now, and it would not be after the change if only parking less than 15 minutes.

 

Thing is i wonder if the Reporter read the sign posting on 'Loading', 'Unloading' or that the Delivery Driver is stopping which is rather different from Parking.

I have seen traffic Wardens telling Delivery Drivers to Double Park and do the Delivery and make the other drivers just wait.

It is Amazing how people never seem to see that without there being deliveries, they would probably have no need to be there shopping.

They'll discharge any effluent so long as it keeps their corruptness out of the public eye. Remember Scammeron being caught out over tobacco lobbying and refusing to answer questions?

 

 Ancient (buried) history.

counting the days til we get a chance to man the lifeboats in September 2014

Don't think it would work here in busy West London and as for, inner London, where Chelsea tractors may predominate, can you imagine the chaos it would cause.

 

This district is already rammed with locals cars as well as commuters using the district as a through route. Witness, the Parking Control Zone in the residential areas round here with some on-street paid for bay parking(Not metered, but annual sub to the council) and some enterprising locals are renting out their drive and garage space to commuters during working hours.And the main high-street is all yellow lines and metered parking bays.

 

 There are already service roads in front of the shops and, despite them also being metered, both sides of the service roads are rammed full of cars for most of the day, and there are intermittment metered parking bays on both sides of the main road (Also full most of the day)- so, you've got three lines of parking in between the main road and the shops with all the obstructions and delays that  vehicle ingress/egress causes to the  through traffic, including several bus routes. In addition the local supermarket has its own car park behind the high-street facing shop - and its only double yellows that stop people parking in this side road and  blocking the traffic again.

 

No, the area is rammed full of cars, we DON'T need any more. To be quite honest, the way things are going, once the economy starts to pick-up again, we'll probably need an extension of the London Congestion Zone, or perhaps just a separate one for Harrow, just to ensure that the essential traffic can keep going.And that's without even considering how people's lives would be degraded by all the additional noise and air pollution.

 

Definitely wouldn't work round here and we're 12 miles from the centre of London (As the crow flies) - I would imagine that the closer in to the centre you go the worse it would get..

 

Might work in some lightly populated provincial town, or up North in economically depressed areas, or in towns where the majority of the working population commute to a remote location elsewhere leaving the residential town empty during the day.But again,  from my experience, many provincial centres have a worse traffic problem now than the London suburbs, e.g. Bristol, Oxford, Bicester, Aylesbury, Dorchester, Torquay.

 

IMHO, you don't want to encourage people to use their cars for ad hoc shopping journeys. YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO AVOID  TRAVELLING TO LOCAL SHOPS, WHERE POSSIBLE, AND, IF THEY HAVE TO TRAVEL TO USE SOME SHARED COMMUNITY TRANSPORT. WEEKLY SHOPPING BY CAR TO THE LOCAL SUPERMARKET SHOULD BECOME A THING OF THE PAST.  HOME DELIVERIES< IDEALLY BY ONE AGENT PER AREA  SHOULD BE THE ORDER OF THE DAY.

 

IMHO, THIS IS THE ONLY WAY PAST THE CURRENT LOGISTICS BARRIER TO FURTHER ECONOMIC GROWTH.

 

Buses are currently preferentially configured to carry passengers, rather than passengers with a subtstantial amount of goods and are tied to routes. Whereas Taxis are more flexibly spec'd.

 

IF PEOPLE DO NEED TO TRAVEL TO THE LOCAL SHOPS THEY NEED TO BE ENCOURAGED TO WALK OR BIKE IT - that's what we all had to do round here in the sixties. AND FOR THOSE WHO BY AGE OR INFIRMITY, DISTANCE OR WEATHER ARE UNWILLING OR UNABLE TO WALK/RIDE THEN THERE SHOULD BE A BOOKABLE/HAILABLE DIAL_A_RIDE TAXI SYSTEM.

 

This could be  let on a licensed basis on a competitive tender  and jointly funded by the Council, local traders association and nominal fares from the users(Oyster type card ?) The tender might even require that only ECO vehicles are used.This system could be regulated so that it only operated within a pre-defined zone surrounding each high-street. FREE set-down and pick-up points, set-in to the pavement every 100 yards up the high street where only a LOCAL  taxi could could pick-up and drop-off LOCAL people, with a maximum stay period of five minutes. These SD/PU points could be created in exchange for  the release of a limited number of existing metered parking bays. The system could be configured to have tapered availablity 09.00 to 18.00 daily and outside these times, or if capacity was under utilised, then  some of the vehicles couild be temporarily released to other purposes e.g. home package delivery, Trips to the GP/Clinic. This model is  nothing new, as, to my knowledge, prime contractor facility management contractors to the main public services in this area, are already sharing resources on this basis as between MOD and NHS.

 

Additionally, it might be possible by involving car hire companies to include "Boris Bike" Smart type cars for use in the Zone.

 

With the number of closures of shops there has been, local planners must have considered replacing retail outlets with accomodation - petrol stations, pubs and ex-public sites have been the favourites round here for the last 10 years. And if these accomodation units could have under cover PU/SD points incoporated into the ground floor level design then two birds would be hit with one stone.

 

And if the Chelsea tractor brigade don't like it . . . frigg 'em.

 

All this bull**** about big data - you must have enough of it by now, Big Eric, effing use it for the public good, instead of making political statements designed to stir the ****.

 

 

Nick

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Most of these idiots with ideas don't even drive.

It's like watching these clueless ceo's on undercover boss who make their decrees of "just do it" then get filmed seeing what a balls up its become as a result

In some areas around here, the Traffic Wardens have been cut so whether there's single or double yellows it makes no difference as nobody will get a ticket anyway.

When did Jeremy Clarkson become special adviser to the Transport Minister? FFS.

I'd appoint him; one of his plans if he becam transport minister was to machine gun middle lane hogs.

what would be a better idea (IMO) is to give people 30mins free parking in the local shopping areas car parks rather than charge the rates they do. The land they use was bought and paid for many moons ago, anything they get now is pure profit after the cost of the ticket machines is paid for, which isn't a lot.

The most profitable alternative use for public car parks is as housing. In my locality housing rental cost is about £1 per square foot per month, which in terms of the average car parking space (14' x 7') works out at 14 pence per hour. Cheapest council car parking space charge is 60 pence an hour and iusually works out at £1 an hour if you don't have tbe right change.

 

So there might be a case for charging a reduced ate at some of these lesser used locations. But 30 minute only bays are going to be in prime locations, with particular appeal for the lastminute.com type shoppers, so how do you allocate a free (Unticketed) bay with great appeal, first come first served ? Suddenly, you'd find the cost of policing parking fracas between warring suoermums in Chelsea tractors going through the roof.

Nah, sorry, premium parking, should command premium rates and a 30 min slot in a prime location i.e. Hop-out and shop should command the top rate, otherwise market economics means nothing.And, if its so necessary to go to the shops in your Chelsea tractor (Which it patently isn't, because the shop can come to you) then the individual should pay the market price.  Perhaps. If loss of the local retail inffastructure is a problem then the surplus revenue between tbe market price and tbe OC/cost of the parking place could then be funelled back to subsidising some of the more onerous charges on shops i.e. Rent and business rates.

 

Nick

Edited 29 July, 201312 yr by Clunkclick

So now we know why this subject was raised earlier this week by the Conservatives,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23558130

 

Just so that Eric Pickles MP can launch the idea that private individuals, land owners, companies, but he says 'Home Owners',

can rent out Parking Places.

Relax Planning Permission, not mentioning Requiring Liability Insurance, needing the permission of your Mortgage Lender, Income Tax liability, the effect on your child Tax Credits  etc,

(good thing to get people off benefits or nab them for not declaring income.)

just do a 'press release' with the idea that you can 'Rent out your Driveway'.

Make you better off or at least help out those with property while they screw every penny out of you in every other way.

 

This Government is just taking the Pith.

There Media Team must sit there thinking, first the Story on Parking Fines and Councils making Profits, Then the story on

being able to Park on Double Yellow Lines for 15 Minutes, then a few days later relaxed rules for letting one car use your driveway.

The People will love us, we are so in touch with them and their needs.

 

george

There are already firms that allow you to rent out parking spaces on your driveway for others to use

If I want to let someone park on my drive what on earth has it got to do with the council, Eric Pickles is talking sense on that one.

Also what is bonkers about being able to park on double yellow lines for 15 minutes without being ticketed?

Worst thing they ever did was give the power to the local council to issue parking fines. At least with traffic wardens they could be challenged on the legality of a ticket - the councils just make their own rules up as they go along in order to fleece motorists. It wouldnt be so bad if fines were used to repair roads instead of letting people damage their cars and then have to go through the process of claiming for compensation.

 

Also what is bonkers about being able to park on double yellow lines for 15 minutes without being ticketed?

 

 

It would be more logical for councils to be told they must defend the location of where they've painted them if they're challenged. Double yellows mean no parking at any time, if there's valid reason for a section of road being painted with those markings then the restriction should stand IMHO.

 

Worst thing they ever did was give the power to the local council to issue parking fines. At least with traffic wardens they could be challenged on the legality of a ticket -

 

 

 Never a truer word spoken. I got ticketed by a council warrior whilst helping two injured people out of their crashed car, i'd clocked him watching what was going on and assumed he'd called the police. Nope, he was producing a ticket. Police traffic wardens were always very reasonable I found and i'm certain wouldn't have watched people struggling in a busy intersection rather than help.

There are lots of Companies that arrange your Letting of Parking Places, has been for years.

 

Arranging Swaps of Parking Places as well, your home Parking for one near your Workplace etc.

It is the days of internet and phone aps, it is easy to show your parking place as 'Empty', and log in to find some other home owners 

near where you want to park. A big pool of empty driveways country wide and you book where you want to go. to make it easy.

All sensible to make things easy.

It is a PITA if you rent a Flat or House but now the Land Lord is going to have the Parking Rented out, but then many need to already pay to get that parking place from a Land Lord.

 

The Problem is the Government in the Form of Eric Pickles making out it is Councils causing Problems, charges for Planning Permission etc.

Eric Pickles was a Councillor and a Council Leader.

 

Never actually had a proper job, possibly never travelled at 'Public Service Duties and ever had to put his hand in his pocket and pay without claiming back.

had a Second Home which his parents lived in 7 miles from his first home and paid for by Tax Payers.

He wanted a House nearer Westminster because he had to commute 37 miles.

 

We own Schools and Colleges with Car Parks locked out of Hours.

We own Council Buildings, etc with car parking available out of office hours.

 

Lots of places to park at Weekends & over night, so this government needs to get their act together in a holistic way and consider the motoring public.

Genuine ideas that work, not just Spin and ideas to give them votes, or that they think will get them votes.

 

george

Having read the article about letting out parking spaces it sounds sensible to me.

As far as I can make out it's easy for councils to mistakenly assume someone's trying to operate a multi car car park privately without the proper planning permission, the proposed legislation just gives people a stick people can hit back at the relevant council with if they're just renting out a single space near stadiums etc?

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If blue badge holders can park on double yellows then its obvious that its not a problem to park there for a short time so long as there is no obstruction caused. IMO.

what would be a better idea (IMO) is to give people 30mins free parking in the local shopping areas car parks rather than charge the rates they do. The land they use was bought and paid for many moons ago, anything they get now is pure profit after the cost of the ticket machines is paid for, which isn't a lot.

 

^^^ Wot he said.

 

Even the first 15 mins free and then a sensible charge would help. It would be a better idea that allowing people to park dangerously or obstructively.

 

The council run car park outside my shop charges £1.70 per hour in what is one of the poorest areas in the whole EU, and we have 2-3 very aggressive traffic wardens prowling the streets too. It's no wonder the locals don't use the town any more.

Our drivers struggle like mad on deliverys in city's, mostly due to people parking on double yellows far to close to junctions, if this goes ahead i can see a lot more problems for large vehicles in city's where the drivers have a tough enough job at the best of times!!!!

If blue badge holders can park on double yellows then its obvious that its not a problem to park there for a short time so long as there is no obstruction caused. IMO.

And following on from this - are the traffic attendents there to keep traffic flowing or as a deterrent to non badge holders and ensure parking is only in council car parks to ensure maximum profit and return . It even raises the morality of councils stating that tickets are not transferable. If I buy parking in a council park and leave before the expiry, why can't I give this unused time ( that I've paid for ) to some other user . But then , with the demise of the yellow perils working drivers face a jobsworth attitude. I remember ,as a service engineer, working in towns where you waited for a Yellow Beryl to turn up and politely put your case . Most times, they were shocked to be treated nicely and organised time for you to do your job. Discretion came with the Warrant card .