It isn't but only just:

 

http://www.carscoops.com/2013/07/honda-and-suzuki-come-in-first-bentley.html

 

 

Also interesting is Porsche....  Mercedes....  and VW.  All thought of as indestructible.

While that chart is interesting, to say that German cars are reliable and well built is as dated an idea as saying Skodas are rusting scrapheaps.

 

The separation between the various subbrands is interesting though, like Hyundai/Kia and especially VAG in reverse price order! Also how Ford/Mazda, Citroen/Peugeot and Toyota/Lexus are close together.

While that chart is interesting, to say that German cars are reliable and well built is as dated an idea as saying Skodas are rusting scrapheaps.

 

The separation between the various subbrands is interesting though, like Hyundai/Kia and especially VAG in reverse price order! Also how Ford/Mazda, Citroen/Peugeot and Toyota/Lexus are close together.

 

Yup I agree...  a very interesting list.  But remember this is for cars 8 years old...  I'd have avoided any 8 year old Citroën or Peugeot like the plague.  But looking at this list you'd be better avoiding an 8 year old Mercedes or Volkswagen!  And that is NOT how second hand cars are priced.  

Didn't read the article, so didn't see that.

 

Is it because french cars won't last the 8 years so they get scrapped, not repaired? 

Didn't read the article, so didn't see that.

 

Is it because french cars won't last the 8 years so they get scrapped, not repaired? 

 

Ah...  now that might explain it!  

Over the years pretty much all of my cars have have been from either VAG or PSA, often kept to high mileage and/or old age, and my experience has shown there's not much between them in terms of reliability. French or German, all of them break eventually. If you want boring reliability buy Japanese.

erm... what about TVR? surely they come near the bottom

I'd be very wary of this chart given that a Chevrolet Matiz will explode every 13,000 miles and- given the amount sold, there seems to be very few ten year old Fords left on the roads.

Smart / Mercedes weren't very close together , or Smart/ Mitsubishi where parts are more common, just the dealers are linked

Over the years pretty much all of my cars have have been from either VAG or PSA, often kept to high mileage and/or old age, and my experience has shown there's not much between them in terms of reliability. French or German, all of them break eventually. If you want boring reliability buy Japanese.

 

 

 My 407 was a financial and technological disaster. A litany of failed sensors, screwed electrics and brittle ball-joints. Then came the DPF problems... In the same length of ownership now my Passat has cost £0 outside of consumables. No ball joint repairs, no sensor replacements or requirement for the dealer to keep re-setting the onboard computer (at a cost of course). Mate has just scrapped his 55 plate Megane too- experience screams that French = dogsh!t. 

I'm not doubting the stats put together but the chart appears to be missing some info - Honda shows average mileage, 43,916 and average repair cost of £356 with a nice low reliability index number, yet cars much lower down the list show similar average mileages and average repair costs.

 

Are we missing the "number of broken cars / number of cars sold" percentage here?

Kia Should be equal to Hyundai - as they are (almost) the same car across the range

 

Most Merc's etc will be high-milers, which would prob mean they will break more on average. 

 

Al. 

 My 407 was a financial and technological disaster. A litany of failed sensors, screwed electrics and brittle ball-joints. Then came the DPF problems... In the same length of ownership now my Passat has cost £0 outside of consumables. No ball joint repairs, no sensor replacements or requirement for the dealer to keep re-setting the onboard computer (at a cost of course). Mate has just scrapped his 55 plate Megane too- experience screams that French = dogsh!t. 

 

In fairness the Citroen Xsara I had was a bit like that, and it put me off Citroens for quite a while. But then conversely a relative of mine has owned an almost identical Xsara since new and all its had other than consumables in 12 years is 1 broken coil spring. The build quality of French cars does seem very variable, some are very good, some are total crap.

Kia Should be equal to Hyundai - as they are (almost) the same car across the range

 

Most Merc's etc will be high-milers, which would prob mean they will break more on average.

 

When you are looking at cars from 2005, there was far more difference between the two brands than there is now.

Interesting to see such a discrepancy, and also the way plenty of people are explaining away the results when they don't meet their preconceptions.

 

As for the Mercs, for every E Class doing motorway miles there's an SLK being driven to the hairdresser or an ML on the school run.

Edited 30 July, 201312 yr by Dr Zoidberg

well, my 10 year old Fab has never ever once broken down or failed to start.

Yup I agree...  a very interesting list.  But remember this is for cars 8 years old...  I'd have avoided any 8 year old Citroën or Peugeot like the plague.  But looking at this list you'd be better avoiding an 8 year old Mercedes or Volkswagen!  And that is NOT how second hand cars are priced.  

 

This section caught my eye.

 

In a new survey of 38 manufacturers and 50,000 live Warranty Direct policies on three to eight-year old vehicles, according to research by UK car magazine "What Car?" and UK provider of extended warranties, "Warranty Direct".

 

 

So this survey means very little in the real world as IMHO very few people will take out a warranty on a car over 5 years old.

And its only from 1 warranty company as well so they could be that they don't cover many of the cars at the top of the list.

Also non of the cars on the list has over 55,000 miles so in my book that's not much to go on and we don't know how they got to the figures.

 

Also check the link that takes you to a list they did last year of the top ten most reliable cars in the last 15 years and its a different list.

This section caught my eye.

 

In a new survey of 38 manufacturers and 50,000 live Warranty Direct policies on three to eight-year old vehicles, according to research by UK car magazine "What Car?" and UK provider of extended warranties, "Warranty Direct".

 

 

So this survey means very little in the real world as IMHO very few people will take out a warranty on a car over 5 years old.

And its only from 1 warranty company as well so they could be that they don't cover many of the cars at the top of the list.

Also non of the cars on the list has over 55,000 miles so in my book that's not much to go on and we don't know how they got to the figures.

 

Also check the link that takes you to a list they did last year of the top ten most reliable cars in the last 15 years and its a different list.

there's lies, damned lies and statistics

Must be lies ! I drive a vw

Quite surprised to see Toyota down at fifth!

 

Gaz

Quite surprised to see Toyota down at fifth!

 

Gaz

really? Dodgy brake recalls, anyone

really? Dodgy brake recalls, anyone

 

Yep, even taking that into account.  At least they recalled them  :think:

 

Gaz

Same Engines in a Mini Cooper S & the new Peugeot 208 GTI,

also the Renault Sport Clio 200 Turbo has the same engine as the Nissan Juke Nismo, often its just the ECU that is different.

 

george

Could it be that skoda are down in 13 because of all the tsi issues ?

Between me and my wife, we've owned four Peugeots over the years and all of them were great cars to own. The first was a 106 petrol which was like a little roller skate. Great fun to drive and totally reliable.

When the first child came along, we got a 306 diesel. It was a 1998 registered car and is still knocking about today! A doddle to service and thoroughly reliable.

More kids arrived and we bought a 406 which had every conceivable extra in it. Leather, cruise, auto lights etc. And again, the paragon of reliability.

I had a 309 diesel for a while. Whilst very agricultural and painfully slow, it only cost me a few hundred quid and was used as the second car. And again, it never let me down.

Yet we've owned a Honda HRV, Ford Fusion and VW Passat and all were pups. Especially the Passat, which is why it was a massive leap of faith for me to buy an Octava.

I'm totally sold on Skoda now and will be sticking with the brand. However, I'd certainly never rule out a Peugeot again.

FP.

Edited 30 July, 201312 yr by flying pig

Most of the cars I've seen broken down at the side of the roads in the last year have been new ones.

 

A lot of Audi, VW and Peugeot.

 

Having owned a Renault and driven a lot of Peugeots, I'd never buy a French car again.

Edited 31 July, 201312 yr by Aspman