That is a bit kak really.....official fuel economy is calculated over a distance of less than 7 miles, in a heavily controlled envrionment, and no air resistance. I know it's supposed to give like-for-like, but there's no "real world" involved, so you can easily get (as Jane has) wildy different figures.

 

Jane: is there an i10 owners club?

That is Audi, and that is Audi that had the finding made against their Advertising and brochures by the ASA.

The point was really that all of the testing is misleading and even as a comparison from model to model is pants.

 

So you see the car in the Room to sit at an Ambient Temperature.  He does not tell you what, Looks cold though.

 

But it is 20-30 Degrees. now is that 20-30 Degrees Celcius as i suspect. because they should say fahrenheit if it is that.

20 Degrees Fahreheit is -6.6 *oC.  30F is -1.1*oC

**So is it a Cold Start as in British Summer cold start or Cold Start Winter and majority of the British year?**

 

http://www.skoda.co.uk/fuel-consumption-statement

Much of us starting cars from cold might be doing it from 5- 20 degrees much of the year and only occasionally at 20-30

if it is Celcius Degrees that is the ambient they mean.

 

Its just one car off the Production Line and it is the lightest without Options,

But it has to have cover 1,800 miles before the test.

so if a Spare Wheel is not standard then no spare wheel, Leather an option, then cloth fabric, etc.

 

george

http://hypermiler.co.uk/fuel-economy-standards/advertising-standards-authority-takes-issue-with-audis-mpg-claims

Might be worth speaking with Trading standards to see if you have been missold the car. A difference of 25% between the claimed urban figures an reality is quite a big gap.

 

A long shot I admit but you might panic Hyundai into giving you a deal.

 

Not sure what you could do to get by now. The best urban cars were old dirty diesels but I know you need something reliable with warranty.

 

Have you considered a scooter or 125 if you don't need passengers or lots of kit. 25% off 100mpg is still 75mpg.

http://hypermiler.co.uk/fuel-economy-standards/advertising-standards-authority-takes-issue-with-audis-mpg-claims

 

But the complaint wasn't upheld because Audi's official MPG figures were more unrealistic than anyone else's. It was just that their advert failed to make it sufficiently clear that they are the results of a lab test and not real world driving.

Thats why the whole system is no longer fit for purposes, ie EU Testing, the person that made the complaint on Audis advertising and Economy Figures and lack of clarity in advertising and brochures, could have done the same for many if not all Manufacturers.

 

Probably why Skoda have their 'Fuel Consumption Statement' making clear what the testing is and how it is done.

& why Audi did the Film linked in the Youtube clip, once they knew the ASA where looking at them in 2012.

No so obvious from many Manufacturers exactly what the figures are about,

(Well not for those that need guide dogs for the stupid. or just not interested in cars and just listen to salespeople.)

 

The Hyundai/Kia statements for Canada about how the testing was done in South Korea makes me wonder where the cars bound for the EU tested in Europe, they manufacture cars in Europe and Asia, 

 so are the published and official figures just the South Korean Tests are to the EU Requirements so carried out & accepted from South Korea.

Or in a EU Factory/Test Bay.

 

Often the only difference you see for Europe or rest of world are because of Miles or Kilometers Litres.

(Or MPG for US Gallons, rather than Imperial Gallons.)

 

george

I totally agree, the standard test is crap, and needs to more accurately reflect a typical journey - something like ten miles for urban and thirty or so for extra-urban.

It's complete nonsense that hybrid v8 supercars that can run on battery for most of the 2.5 miles of the urban test (but no further) can end up with a tiny emissions figure that is utterly divorced from reality.

 

4.3 miles at an average speed of under 40mph for the extra-urban is also a totally unrealistic test.

 

Some things like the absence of wind are unavoidable with a lab test, though you could simulate it through extra drag on the rolling road, but others are much easier to fix - testing a car in the same condition as the one you'd buy for example, instead of disconnecting the alternator and taping up panel gaps.

I hear the taping up panel gaps stuff for Test Runs.

 

Where does that make a difference on a Rolling Road test were no Wind Tunnel is part of that test?

 

george

Thanks for all the replies, i was on night shift last night so only just got chance to get onto my laptop!

 

Ill try and remember as many questions as possible;

 

Yes someone mentioned i had quoted 43MPG, your right. When i first got the i10 it was my only car so it was used for all my driving, work and going to partners house (20 odd miles over moor roads) so it had the longer runs aswell, giving it a combined of 43mpg, since then i have the Clio so this does the longer runs and the i10 is purely town driving.

 

Miles; it has just over 5000 so no service needed yet.

 

My is i10 is the 85bhp one.

 

I have contacted my dealership today and gone back over the problems im having and done everything they have asked. the service manager is going to talk to his garage foreman and then contact Hyundai (very reluctantly may i add) and then he will contact me from there.

Basically implying that Hyundai will not believe my fuel receipts and pretty much saying that im making it up.

 

Ive been to Dacia (Renault dealer) to see if they can take it off my hands and give me the 1.5dci in exchange, this they can do but id loose money, which i knew but the trade value for my car is a pittance what i paid for it.

 

Onlu possible solution i can see is pester Hyundai to do something about it, this that ends up no where then just suck it up and ive with it :( 

one thing you may wush to consider about the Dacia (and any other new diesel) is IF it has a DPF you may end up having loads of trouble just doing city driving with the DPF and regen issues. sorry to rain on your parade as they say across the pond but I'd hate you to spend even more of your hard earned on an alternative that could be even more problematic than the i10.

cheers

Ade

1.5dci in the renault is very good for longer runs but it has a bit of history for clogging up on short runs. My pre dpf 1.5 would do 65mpg at 80mph. I was told every service to take it for a long run to clear out the soot. I was doing 30k a year then.

 

I think you'd be out of the frying pan and into the fire with a diesel for stop start driving round town.

Oh i didt think the 1.5 would entertain the DPF..i know exactly what your on about ive already killed on DPF and had it chopped out. With it being a 'filter' i know warranty doesn't cover them.

 

Well there is always the 0.9TCe but i the official MPG's are worse then the i10 if i remember correctly 

The losses you would suffer by chopping in the Hyundai would far outweigh the savings made by buying a more fuel efficient car.

 

You've just got to suck it and see by the sounds of it...

The losses you would suffer by chopping in the Hyundai would far outweigh the savings made by buying a more fuel efficient car.

You've just got to suck it and see by the sounds of it...

That's why I want in an ideal world for Hyundai to take the car back. I know it's a very long shot but I think a letter won't harm

Remember that any diesel car built after 2010 has a DPF......Euro 5 emissions standards for you. 

 

Unfortunately, whatever car you have, getting good MPG in urban only driving is an uphill struggle. The only cars that really manage to produce decent urban MPG figures are Hybrids - but they need the odd longer run to keep the battery topped up in order to achieve good urban MPG......Or electric cars, but they're still a bit niche and expensive to buy.     

In Germany, they have been looking at the fitness of the EU tests which all manufacturers use.

In the 'city car' catagory, they found that on the urban test 50% of 'average motorists' returned less than 67% of the official figure and only those who had been specially trained to perform the test, returned a figure within 10% of the stated figure.

If you are getting 38MPG with 50MPG official, then there is nothing wrong with the car - it's the test. In the EU there is no requirement that an 'average motorist can readily achieve the stated figure. The EU don't want to fix this as the current system lets them boast how efficient cars in the EU are.

The problem is the short runs.

You say you are a care worker so I assume the houses are quite close together.

If so then the engine may never be getting up to a decent temp.  

It will then use more fuel.

The problem is the short runs.

You say you are a care worker so I assume the houses are quite close together.

If so then the engine may never be getting up to a decent temp.  

It will then use more fuel.

The official urban test starts with a cold start.

I hate myself for suggesting it but would a Renault Twizy work for you? I get the feeling that (range and charging dependent) you probably are an ideal candidate for an electric car.

Boss Fox seems to be very happy with his Note(s)

Boss Fox seems to be very happy with his Note(s)

Leaf(s) (or should that be Leaves?)

Leaf(s) (or should that be Leaves?)

I stand corrected.

 

Interesting on the multiple too. A wonder what the collective would be? ;)

{A discussion for another thread though methinks}

I stand corrected.

 

Interesting on the multiple too. A wonder what the collective would be? ;)

{A discussion for another thread though methinks}

 

Given that he got rid of the Mk1 for the Mk2, it's still Leaf

Mileage testing is carried out in lab conditions to allow different models across different manufacturers to be compared, and manufacturers are not allowed to use any other figures. 

 

This has been the case for a while

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/10304877/Why-you-cant-match-your-cars-claimed-fuel-economy.html

is from earlier this month, but they were saying the same thing last year

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/10304877/Why-you-cant-match-your-cars-claimed-fuel-economy.html

I think an electric car would not fair well. My calls range from half hour to 2 hours and there can be up to 20 calls a day, some of them close together (mile or two) but the furthest i go is about 5 miles so i could see this killing the battery very quickly, not only that i have no where to recharge it, my drive is a strange lay out, the car is about 20 odd foot from the house and goes over a public pathway.

 

I think the only way my situation would work is to get Hyundai to take the car but thats going to be as easy as pushing water upstairs.

 

Yes my main problem is the MPG but the car has been back to dealership for repairs at least 6 times, it only 5.5 months old. Two problems still persist and the repair of one problem has damaged my dash board so it feels like im having nothing but bother with it