I think an electric car would not fair well. My calls range from half hour to 2 hours and there can be up to 20 calls a day, some of them close together (mile or two) but the furthest i go is about 5 miles so i could see this killing the battery very quickly, not only that i have no where to recharge it, my drive is a strange lay out, the car is about 20 odd foot from the house and goes over a public pathway.

 

Fair enough I thought there was a good chance it wouldn't work.

 

Assuming you get the i10 put back what would you get next? Urban fuel economy seems to be pretty appalling in everything.

Fair enough I thought there was a good chance it wouldn't work.

 

Assuming you get the i10 put back what would you get next? Urban fuel economy seems to be pretty appalling in everything.

 

Im not actually sure but ive never read reviews of the Citigo/Mii/Up! the Pixo (yes i know but still its cheap) Panda, Sandaro, 107/Aygo/C1 getting 35mpg

Dont get me wrong i do not expect 70mpg (which the Dacia claim!) but when its doing worse then my vRS with a stage 2 map then something is wrong.

 

I would go second hand but with the nature of my job if it breaks down i cant just blag a lift to work, i lose money and it lets my clients down. Reason i went brand new so if it did go wrong then its not my problem and i get a loan car.

Have you checked Fuelly etc to provide some backup to your findings? Might be worth including in the letter.

 

http://www.hyundai-forums.com/205-i10-forum/98746-mpg.html

 

^ Haven't read the entire thread but it looks like the majority are getting above 40 mpg.

 

 

OT: The MD of Hyundai UK was on Undercover Boss a few weeks/month back - they had implemented many ideas which had impacted their front line staff without any regard for them.

I hate myself for suggesting it but would a Renault Twizy work for you? I get the feeling that (range and charging dependent) you probably are an ideal candidate for an electric car.

 

Had to like this comment. Emma would look great in an electric car imo.  

I think the only way my situation would work is to get Hyundai to take the car but thats going to be as easy as pushing water upstairs.

 

Yes my main problem is the MPG but the car has been back to dealership for repairs at least 6 times, it only 5.5 months old. Two problems still persist and the repair of one problem has damaged my dash board so it feels like im having nothing but bother with it

You need qualified opinion now, but that may be grounds for formally rejecting the car.

Edited 17 September, 201312 yr by KenONeill

Had to like this comment. Emma would look great in an electric car imo.

Errrrrrrm, Ok :-/ lol.

I had a quick look around, seems about 40mpg is about right. I suppose its either a car issue or a issue with how you use it. I can't see how they will work out which it is either tbh. If they say the car is Ok then I dunno how you're going to prove otherwise. Unless of course you get them to take it back because of other faults.

As far as another car goes, there are cars that perform better than the i10 (assuming it isn't a particularly advanced engine?). A friend got his Mrs a citygo, returns 50mpg even when he smashes about in it, well made and a nice car. Plenty of other things to pick from that'd be better tbh.

I very very nearly had the Citigo but at the time it was my only car so i wanted something that could cope with moor roads ect and that the i10 does very (surprising) well, it copes fine everywhere and if it produced an overall of 45-50mpg then id be happy, which tbh is not asking for the stars.

 

Im still waiting for SG Petch to ring me back (i may be here a while) but as far as im concerned there are better things out there. I dont think im being unreasonable, ive tried my damnedest to with the i10, i deem myself as a good Eco driver, i understand how to make the best of an engine but its a lost cause! :(  

You said your cars done 5000 miles, if you had got 50 mpg that would be about £650 in petrol.

if you have got 36 mpg it cost you £253 extra for petrol. (£903)

(45mpg would have cost  £721)

Is that going to be what you are looking to save in a year buy changing cars around £500? £10 a week.

 

Maybe try not Eco Driving and rev the nuts off it, get up to speed quickly and just drive,

they love that and are quite Economic and fun.

You might just use less fuel.

(the cars well run in now.)

 

george

You said your cars done 5000 miles, if you had got 50 mpg that would be about £650 in petrol.

if you have got 36 mpg it cost you £253 extra for petrol. (£903)

(45mpg would have cost  £721)

Is that going to be what you are looking to save in a year buy changing cars around £500? £10 a week.

 

Maybe try not Eco Driving and rev the nuts off it, get up to speed quickly and just drive,

they love that and are quite Economic and fun.

You might just use less fuel.

 

george

 

I see your point but if someone said you could save £500 on your house hold bills then i think 99% of people would go for it.

I think youve misunderstood my Ecodrive claim, i.e i dont follow the 'gear change indicator' as it cannot read the road, its about staying in the right gear and only using less then half throttle. 

 

Id only have another car if this one was taken off me, i went to Dacia just to see where i stood but i knew i would loose more money in the long run.   

No i understood, but no idea if you are any good as an eco driver,

the 1.2 16v 85bhp is happy being revved, when out on the road.

Do not only use half throttle.

 

You seem to get OK MPG from your Clio if you drive that like i think you maybe bought it to be driven.

 

What is to be lost by driving different for a week without thinking of economy.

Brim the tank, zero the trip and empty the tank, then brim it again.

Then see what miles you get as an average for the 7 or 8 gallons.

(35 litre, 7.7 gallon tank, fill it up the pipe.)

 

george

Thats the annoying thing about this whole Clio i10 situation, i drive the i10 respectively and get crap mpg but yet i drive the Clio like its stolen and i still achieve 33mpg+

Well are you going to try daily driving the i10 like you drive the Clio and see the result.?

 

I only take my 1.1 16v 68bhp auto out to rag it, and drive it like an Original MIni and i use less fuel than you..

(that is other than the occasional gentle runs in between to the shops to be sure the battery is not going flat)

 

george

Gotta say there doesn't seem anything to be lost by giving Georges idea a go. As unconventional as it sounds I've found trying to be over economical can have a negative effect.

Isn't that one of the hypermiling principles? Pulse and glide. Cars are more efficient at higher revs for short periods.

 

I'm not sure your second hand argument holds up. If your new car breaks down your clients are just as affected as if your second hand car breaks down. you've also got access to more than one car so any problems are likely to be temporary.

 

An appropriate second hand car with good breakdown cover might serve better. Sometimes parts are easier to get for older popular cars anyway, a friend had a 10 week wait for a Panda bumper. Maybe a pre DPF diesel or even a well thought out petrol.

 

Anyway I suspect you're stuck with the i10 in the short term anyway, everything else is speculation. You might as well thrash the little bugger like George says and see if it makes a difference.

I think they've got a point; I usually get good mpg from most things, and I use a heavy throttle but shortish shifts, around peak torque, when accelerating.

Thats pretty much what i do, dont labour the engine in a stupidly  low gear and keep it in within the torque band, on the flat keep the revs low and minimal revs, unless accelerating onto a 60mph change gear at around 2,500 3,000. Like i said i dont like blowing my own trumpet but i can get the best out an engine.

When nobody is around to think you are a girl racer try changing gear differently and later like the similar engine does when fitted to an autobox. it revs happily to 4000-5000+ rpm

Forget torque band and all that stuff the cars revvy, 16v, light and does not need driven like by a Granny.

It is a petrol not a diesel.

 

To be honest with your MPG's which is the point of this thread, you do not appear to be getting the best economy out of the engine the way you have been driving.

Maybe trying driving differently,

it probably will prove me wrong and it will drink fuel, but surely trying one tank of £50's worth is worth the try.

 

You said that the choice of a Household saving £500 a year and 99% of people would take it.

Saving £500 a year for 3 years by spending out £1500 by changing cars is not always considered as a saving though.

 

george

You are seriously preaching to the wrong person, i know exactly what you mean when it comes to derv and petrol and trust me i do not drive like a granny, i work them but i follow by example from their driving skills. I dont think you can pass comment till youve actually seen my driving.

 

Racing the engine is going get me no where, not that ive actually tried it consistently over a full tank but when ive been in a rush/overtaking a few tourist idiots and have no choice to rev the engine out it drinks stupid amounts.

 

The rev band gets used healthy but revving it to 5k around town is not going to help issues, i think. As far as im concerned as long as the engine is been over laboured i.e 5th gear @ 30mph going up hill then its does not matter gear you are in, its dependant on how wide open is. Unless you haven't noticed that it doesnt actually matter position the throttle when your gaining speed in a small powered engine, it gains speed just as fast if you have a full flat as to opening the throttle progressively as it gains speed. Open throttle will only requests it dumps too much fuel 

Sorry not a clue about manuals, never being a driver of them. Just observed others and their strange habits.

Not so sure about your observations above on small revvy engines, or the posts before about using half throttle and the correct gear but if thats your experience then thats fine.

 

I told you in a previous thread that i borrowed a i10 1.2 (1248cc) auto thinking about getting one when it first came out,

and returned it early because it drunk fuel at twice the rate of my 1.1 Kia auto and i stuck with the 1.1 that went as well and does 42mpg even when thrashed..

 

Obviously revving it around town was not going to help matters. When nobody is around was meaning out on the road and getting a move on.

You said you were driving economically, and that seemed not to be working for you.

If its a petrol drinker then thats it,

but since you did get 43mpg and can better 36 mpg on just short journeys, its not that much of a petrol drinker really.

 

How has it done this week for petrol drinking?

 

george

i fully understand your frustration, & in the end i kept the car for 2 years & traded in, & got a decent price.

 

I had a MK1 fabia vrs remapped & was averaging 51-52 mpg based on calculations that Fuelley do,  & decided i needed a more economical car for the 110 mile round trip to work.

So i purchased a Fiat 500 Diesel as they were new to the market & had what seemed reasonable 75mpg claims, reality told me i should get 60+ for the journeys i  did of M'way & fast A / B roads. I was averaging 49mpg!!!!!!  driving the same ( well slower that the fabia vrs), it was so frustrating a 70bhp std diesel engine was worse than my 180bhp Fabia, no amount of complaints to Fiat made any difference.

So i decided to experiments & drive like a complete OAP, changing up at 1200rpm,& asap in other gears, doing 2-5mph below limit, 50 on mway, & actually got 60mpg, but it was the most frustrating & un enjoyable drive i have ever had.

Skoda had zero vat & 0% finance & a dealer took my 500 as deposit & i got the Octy vrs, now even though i can get 52mpg on a long run constant 70mph & my average is around 43 mpg on fuelley, it is a far more enjoyable experience.

 

My lesson has been that look at the worst MPG quoted by a manufacturer & work that as possibly the best you will ever possibly get.

 

My personal advice would be find a car you really like and is good to drive for you, look at the worst mpg & decide if you can live with it, then get rid of the frustarting piece of metal & drive with a smile.

I think its more down to the nature of my job and literally stop start, since starting this thread ive been really keeping an eye on how i drive and the distance ect and the poor thing gets started about 20-25 times a day, not good for fuel comp

 

I think its going to be a a case of like it or lump it, the car as poo'ed out most of its value now with it only been 6 month old so its at the worst time to sell/trade so i might just leave it a while and see what happens.

 

Ive just moved teams at work which means i can use the company car some of time (which is good and bad at the same time) if it gets to the point im only using the i10 everynow and then ill just sell  

the poor thing gets started about 20-25 times a day, 

 

That really is start stop driving. So I'm guessing your average drive time when you are working is a very short. This will also be bad for economy as the engine might not be up to full temperature all the time. 

Yeah average time is around 6 mins. Like i said i appreciate that its not going to do mint MPG but the vRS and 172 perform better! 

I wonder if it runs some clever fuelling setup when cold to get it up to temperature quickly.....which in your situation is actually hammering consumption.......being a new car, and with all the emission regulations these days, it wouldn't surprise me.   

Edited 20 September, 201312 yr by booke23

I'm with those who think trying to warm up the engine more quickly every time you get into it might possibly get overall better fuel consumption, on the basis that a fully-warmed engine is a happy engine! It doesn't matter so much how high you rev the engine, but how quickly you do get up to speed might actually make a significant difference.