The use of fogs unnecessarily is one of my pet hates. I'm talking about in towns with perfect visibility as well as on the open road. Perhaps I'm out of date but it used to be considered as "a moving offense" by the police. Many cars have them these days, rotating or otherwise, and I suspect that many users are suffering from a case of fashion consciousness - if you've got them, use them.

Low position fogs are intended to reduce glare back and the 'rush' of snow or fog at night and of no value in the day. In fact, an undulating road will hide low fogs so be visible later so best to use dipped headlights. Of course many drivers use both, which brings me to the other benefit which is seeing round bends. Does the introduction of rotating fogs mean the law has changed or is it an example of international car design being at odds with UK law?

Final rant. If I ruled the world I would eliminate the perennial problem of fast flowing traffic using anything from side or no lights up to heads+fogs, i.e. 4 bright lights. The mixture requires a lot more effort to figure out what's heading in your direction. Until car lights are controlled by a central big brother system together with speed etc. we will have to rely on you good

I think you are all missing the point. It's got nothing to do with whether the fog lights are cornering or not. From memory it used to be illegal to have your fog lights on if it is not foggy. Foggy is when visibility is less than 100m, or yards, can't remember. I don't think this law has changed but could be wrong. It's amazing how many people drive with their fog lights on at night and most are very bright and distracting.

I thought it was still ilegal?

Only have fogs on when cant see so many meters in front (whether heavy rain or fog etc)?

But if the fogs are used as cornering (slow speed to see better)-

would they still be classed as fog lights?

Or has Skoda got round that by saying they are dual purpose?

Any member in the police traffic / lawyers?

I think the problem with the Yeti is the size and location of the auxiliary lights which seems to confuse other drivers. The only other car with a similar type of front profile, in respect of lights is the Nissan Juke. In fact as I typed the last sentence I was still wondering if the large circular lamps are in fact headlamps or auxiliary lamps.

It would be interesting to know were blame would be if a yeti was rounding a corner prior to a junction,and a vehicle pulls out into its path. The driver of which has seen the moving cornering/fog lights and thought it was a indicator.Rights and wrongs don't really come into it then. They would have contributed to the accident.Maybe some more thought needs to be given to these lights,if you had them on a motorcyle you could be risking your life. Headlights on a unfaired motorcyle do move with the curve of a bend, but they are to big to be confused with indicators, so maybe this is the answer road following headlamps.

Indicators are orange - aren't they?

1. Maybe that's one of the main reasons of redesigned front lights on the FL Yeti.

 

2. Going slightly off-topic, another "weird" VAG function having implications on driving safety:

 

With windscreen wipers on speed 1 or 2 (not intermittent), while stopping the car, they automatically switch to intermittent position, until car starts moving again. A few days ago, driving on heavy rain, I had to stop for a pedestrian crossing the street. Because the intermittent interval was set at the longest one (first pos. at the left of 4 positions on the toggle), I was surprisingly left without proper visibility prior deciding to start moving again, at least until the next wiper stroke ! IMO this can lead to dangerous circumstances.

 

(TBH I don't know how rain sensor activated wipers behave. Mine - Ambition trim - is fitted only with light sensor) 

Indicators are orange - aren't they?

Or some sort of sunset yellow or amber and MUST flash?

I wonder how often the police pull people over for having front fogs on in normal conditions? Judging from the number of drivers using them in my local area it would seem to be not very often.

I wonder how often the police pull people over for having front fogs on in normal conditions? Judging from the number of drivers using them in my local area it would seem to be not very often.

I always concern abt mine Superb DRLs in my fogs.

How does the police differentiate my fogs to DRLs?

It would be interesting to know were blame would be if a yeti was rounding a corner prior to a junction,and a vehicle pulls out into its path. The driver of which has seen the moving cornering/fog lights and thought it was a indicator.Rights and wrongs don't really come into it then. They would have contributed to the accident.Maybe some more thought needs to be given to these lights,if you had them on a motorcyle you could be risking your life. Headlights on a unfaired motorcyle do move with the curve of a bend, but they are to big to be confused with indicators, so maybe this is the answer road following headlamps.

Easy, if you are going round a corner slowly enough to operate the cornering fogs anyone pulling out would be guilty of careless driving, the fog only resembles an indicator to someone who doesn't know that indicators are orange and flash rythmically. If they are that idiotic they shouldn't be driving.If your headlights are on there should be no doubt that you are driving a car.

The issue here relates to the location of the fog lights on the Yeti.

 

I had cornering fogs enabled on my previous FL Octavia 4x4 Combi and found them especially useful on dark country lanes etc. I've resisted the temptation to have them enabled on my current Yeti though, as their higher placement will I'm sure lead to confusion for other road users - as mentioned earlier in this thread.

I've resisted the temptation to have them enabled on my current Yeti though

 

Are you sure? If so, how?

Nope, I really don't see how a steady illuminated white 'fog' light can be mistaken by another driver as a flashing, orange indicator.

 

Take it a stage further, a flashing indicator light is just that - an indicator to other vehicles that said vehicle is about to turn in that direction (in theory). It is not a light that grants permission to another driver to pull out.  

 

As for intermittent windscreen wipers - the clue is in the word intermittent. It's easy enough to override the function up one click to full 'on' or down two clicks for a single wipe. The rain sensor is just that - it isn't a pedestrian sensor...

 

DRLs are not driver controlled - fog lamps come on with the fog lamp switch, I would think that's a pretty good case against someone 'unlawfully' using fog lights in less than foggy conditions.

 

I remember hearing a tale that some years back, that BMW motorcycle indicators had an aural alert (for the rider) that was the same tone as UK pelican crossing signals (for blind people). Not a happy mix and allegedly BMW changed their tone....

In the 3 years I've had my Yeti, with cornering "fogs", I have never had anyone pull out on me or apparently get confused by them. I have also never had them queried by the Police, even whilst working with them.

 

And as for their legality, they are perfectly legal, otherwise the car would never have been Type Approved for sale in the UK!

If you really want to confirm that then I suggest you plough through the Vehicle Lighting Regulations, 1989, and all subsequent addendums and additions:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/contents/made

Are you sure? If so, how?

 

Via VCDS.

Thanks Graham. I thought VCDS could only disable them. Silly me.

Via VCDS.

Correct....I did check and I am wrong.......It's a   bit cold in Bob's corner

How does the police differentiate my fogs to DRLs?

 

DRL's are OFF (or dimmed) with dipped headlights.

 

Fog's are ON with dipped headlights.

 

It's impossible to have fogs and DRL's on at the same time.

If someone is daft enough to take my cornering fog lights as a signal to pull out then that would be the least of my worries.

 

Even without cornering fog lights the numpty behind the wheel would no doubt find another equally dumb reason to drive into me.

DRL's are OFF (or dimmed) with dipped headlights.

 

Fog's are ON with dipped headlights.

 

It's impossible to have fogs and DRL's on at the same time.

Ok - i need to explain this to Police who stops me (who may be a little behind with things ...)

1. Overview (226)

 

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You MUST use headlights when visibility is seriously reduced, generally when you cannot see for more than 100 metres (328 feet). You may also use front or rear fog lights but you MUST switch them off when visibility improves (see Rule 236). Law RVLR regs 25 & 27

Hi my comment is.

Recently pulled over by a Copper (Very Young just of College) with a Radar Gun and said I was doing 110KM in a 100KM zone,

When I asked to see the reading, he said it was no longer available. Because he misstook 101 as 110 KM.

I then said OK book me, but I want to see your District Inspector and I want to make a formal complaint.

Ok P*ss of Smart A*s, was his reply.

A Mate of mine who was a Senior Inspector said there was a lot of going's on, purely for revenue raising.

This was the 3rd time I was pulled over.

My Samsung 4G gets Navigon free, Cockpit shows Speed zone as well as actual speed through GPS,

My Speedo on my Yeti (Snowman) shows at 100 KM per hour, I'm actually doing 94KM per hour.

I'll back the GPS against any thing else, a Mate who is a motor mechanic says most modern speed'os are out up

to 10 KM +or- out

I was taught to respect, police.

So why arn't Vehicle manufactures fixing the problem.

1. Overview (226)

 

226

You MUST use headlights when visibility is seriously reduced, generally when you cannot see for more than 100 metres (328 feet). You may also use front or rear fog lights but you MUST switch them off when visibility improves (see Rule 236). Law RVLR regs 25 & 27

 

And?

That is about "fog lights" and not "cornering lights" that happen to use the fog light for that purpose.

Legally 2 different things.

And?

That is about "fog lights" and not "cornering lights" that happen to use the fog light for that purpose.

Legally 2 different things.

 

The whole topic is about fog lights and cornering fog lights.

Cornering fogs only come on when turning at slow speeds.

So you would / should be indicating as well if on public roads.