Hi all, and a Merry Christmas!

Now that the Tangerine Dream is a shade over three years old, I've contacted Shark Performance and they've kindly answered a few questions about re-mapping my CR110 to 170BHP.

I realise there would be a increase in not only acceleration (across a broad range of RPM), but also an increase in top speed, which my insurers would be most interested in.

So the decision is up to me, as there is also a choice to have a good increase in torque, but with a little less top speed BHP, which might make a good compromise and keep the insurers a bit happier.

I've read the FAQs so most of my questions have been answered.

So that I don't keep bothering poor Ben at Shark, can I ask you well-informed bunch whether the process put any additional strain on components (clutch, turbo etc.) and has anybody on the forum undergone the same procedure on a CR110 who can comment on their findings?

Thanks in advance

Only a personal point, seriously consider a better brake set up, 110 yeti brakes are , in my opinion very low speck.....

Any increase in performance is going to put additional stress on the car's parts when you use the extra power.

That's just how it is.  But VW have engineered in spare capacity for long and reliable lives, you car is effectively a detuned 140.

I'd not want 170bhp on the stock brakes either as they are too small.  OK for pottering about though.

 

Check with your insurance company before you commit.

 

As you have the 110 model 170 is a big increase.

I know several insurers start getting twitchy and ramping the premium up when you go for a bhp increase over 25%.

Only a personal point, seriously consider a better brake set up, 110 yeti brakes are , in my opinion very low speck.....

Would you say the brakes would be an issue if I went for the 140BHP option (I'm only guessing that 140 IS an option?)

Any increase in performance is going to put additional stress on the car's parts when you use the extra power.

That's just how it is.  But VW have engineered in spare capacity for long and reliable lives, you car is effectively a detuned 140.

I'd not want 170bhp on the stock brakes either as they are too small.  OK for pottering about though.

 

Check with your insurance company before you commit.

 

As you have the 110 model 170 is a big increase.

I know several insurers start getting twitchy and ramping the premium up when you go for a bhp increase over 25%.

Mm. Maybe 140 would be more sensible. I really enjoy driving the car currently, but I imagine it would be that much better, overtaking on a motorway after the tweak. I'm not fussed about top speeds or standing start 0-62 times, it's more about having the additional "poke" when it counts on the m'way I suppose.

Mm. Maybe 140 would be more sensible. I really enjoy driving the car currently, but I imagine it would be that much better, overtaking on a motorway after the tweak. I'm not fussed about top speeds or standing start 0-62 times, it's more about having the additional "poke" when it counts on the m'way I suppose.

 

Sounds like you want the map for better torque, which will probably give 150-160bhp as that's what you'll feel most in the situation you mention.

Do check the cost with the insurance company though.

The brakes on my 110 4x4 use the same FSIII callipers as fitted to the 70 and 86PS Fabia's and the discs are not that much bigger either; takes forever to slow our Monster down :S

 

Not an easy or cheap do to uprate the 110 brakes either, as you need to replace not just the calliper and disc but the bearing housing too. The FSIII relies on posts that are part of the bearing housing casting to guide the pads onto the disc

 

 

TP

The brakes on my 110 4x4 use the same FSIII callipers as fitted to the 70 and 86PS Fabia's and the discs are not that much bigger either; takes forever to slow our Monster down :S

 

Must be the same brakes as the Wife's 1.2Tsi DSG.  Which I find absolutely dire when using after my own Yeti.

Must be the same brakes as the Wife's 1.2Tsi DSG.  Which I find absolutely dire when using after my own Yeti.

 

How much difference is there from the 170 to your 200bhp ? Loving the grunt in mine,,,,curious about the increase though

The brakes on my 110 4x4 use the same FSIII callipers as fitted to the 70 and 86PS Fabia's and the discs are not that much bigger either; takes forever to slow our Monster down :S

 

Not an easy or cheap do to uprate the 110 brakes either, as you need to replace not just the calliper and disc but the bearing housing too. The FSIII relies on posts that are part of the bearing housing casting to guide the pads onto the disc

 

 

TP

I don't understand why the brakes would need updating? If I'm getting better acceleration, but am highly unlikely to use faster top speeds, why would I need better brakes?

Are the brakes on the 140 different to the 110?

Edited 28 December, 201312 yr by davehutch

I don't understand why the brakes would need updating? If I'm getting better acceleration, but am highly unlikely to use faster top speeds, why would I need better brakes?

Are the brakes on the 140 different to the 110?

Because on any given stretch of road you will get to a higher speed in a shorter time.

If you get someone pull out on you (possibly under estimating your speed) then you'll need better brakes to stop than if you were going slower.

This is why all big power cars that are stock come with more effective braking systems.

In short, more power means you can get into more trouble.

How much difference is there from the 170 to your 200bhp ? Loving the grunt in mine,,,,curious about the increase though

Quite a difference, it has a nice bit of extra torque and also keeps boost all the way to the redline rather than running out of puff after 1,000 rpm.

It is perfectly possible that even a careful and experienced driver may need good brakes because of the actions of others. If you use any significant extra power you will find yourself getting to places or events more quickly.The 140 and Tsi brakes are only adequate. I have driven the same car before and after an upgrade. My  Leon Tfsi to which I had fitted AP racing calipers and 320 rotors and it made the car noticeably easier to drive within it's standard performance

The brakes on my 110 4x4 use the same FSIII callipers as fitted to the 70 and 86PS Fabia's and the discs are not that much bigger either; takes forever to slow our Monster down :S

 

Not an easy or cheap do to uprate the 110 brakes either, as you need to replace not just the calliper and disc but the bearing housing too. The FSIII relies on posts that are part of the bearing housing casting to guide the pads onto the disc

 

 

TP

Any recommendation on who should do the work in the Hertfordshire area?

Also, any idea how much it would cost? (roughly)

Any recommendation on who should do the work in the Hertfordshire area?

Also, any idea how much it would cost? (roughly)

Any trusted dealer should be able to do the work as its simply swapping OE parts over. Ideally though I'd swap the pads for something better and do a fluid change to something a little more durable also if you do plan on using the additional power. You should be able to get the Shark Performance remap soon in Hertfordshire too so maybe the same garage could give you a quote on the brake upgrade.

Thanks for your advice everyone. If I do decide to go ahead, I'll let you know how it goes

The brakes on my 110 4x4 use the same FSIII callipers as fitted to the 70 and 86PS Fabia's and the discs are not that much bigger either; takes forever to slow our Monster down :S

 

Not an easy or cheap do to uprate the 110 brakes either, as you need to replace not just the calliper and disc but the bearing housing too. The FSIII relies on posts that are part of the bearing housing casting to guide the pads onto the disc

 

 

TP

I'd agree, not enough in reserve for an emergency stop with the 110 4X4, let alone retarding even more power, a bit of a recipe for an accident me thinks

Hertfordshire area independent? Colin Gunning in Hertford, great bloke , technically savvy, keen technician working for him, steeped in VAG product knowledge, clean & tidy workshop, sensible prices AND NO! I don't work for him or get commission!

After all that, I contacted Legal and General and they've said they won't insure the car if it has engine mods.

Maybe next year then when I change insurers again

Pity, as I was looking forward to hearing how the brake upgrade went.

I've been toying with a remap on my 110, but feel that the brakes would need doing before any engine work.

I'm surprised the brakes are so poor on the Yeti, as both of my Octavias had FSIII calipers and neither of those felt underbraked.