And it is total sh1te. I've never experienced turbo lag that bad since the old Sierra Cosworth RS 500.

 

 

Years back I had a hot hatch with four wheel drive - a Lancia Delta HF Integrale with what seems at the time a lot of power - 185 bhp - but my it was quick and very very precise. Nothing could keep up with it in those days

 

 

1995 Lancia Delta HF Integrale – In-Depth Look by EVO   http://www.carscoops.com/2013/05/1995-lancia-delta-hf-integrale-in-depth.html

........Also, having one of the first two-liter turbo engines, it does suffer from a bit of turbo lag which for some it may

detract from the experience of driving, by dulling down the throttle response...........

Nothing like as bad as the latest S3, trust me. The Lancia also had pin sharp, kart like steering and much better handling and engine sound. Of course in those days cars were much lighter, not weighed down with all the wonderful safety stuff we all take for granted these days. Then there are all the emission controls, crappy electric steering that might be perfectly acceptable in my Octavia Elegance, but needs more development in a car with more sporting pretensions. Porsche car get that right, why can't Audi?

It wasn't solely the turbo lag that was so disappointing, if it was it might have been more forgiveable as a package. Don't forget also that my Integrale was built in 1990 you'd expect better from a car that was 23 years more modern.

In summary the S3 is great if you just want a well built quick car. If you have experience of real precision drivers cars and expect those attributes then look elsewhere.

Edited 30 December, 201312 yr by Timoctav

Nice to see you have a friendly nature, keyboard warrior no doubt.

I haven't commented to have an argument to feel free to move on.

As for the car costs I know what we are paying on both cars list and Monthly thanks though

Oh I must say well done getting approx £3-3500 off a new octy vRS tho

Nice to see you have a friendly nature, keyboard warrior no doubt.

I haven't commented to have an argument to feel free to move on.

As for the car costs I know what we are paying on both cars list and Monthly thanks though

Oh I must say well done getting approx £3-3500 off a new octy vRS tho

Nice to see you have a friendly nature, keyboard warrior no doubt.

I haven't commented to have an argument to feel free to move on.

As for the car costs I know what we are paying on both cars list and Monthly thanks though

Oh I must say well done getting approx £3-3500 off a new octy vRS tho[/quotealso got £2k over Any other dealer for trade in. Yes!

I can understand your logic, it is very quick and on twisty roads, particularly in poor conditions it would be pretty much uncatchable. If you didn't buy it as a drivers car, rather a machine to get from A to B quickly then yes, it's ideal for that purpose. But as a precision driver's car - not even close I'm afraid, and that's what I was expecting and hoping for. All part of a plan to cut down from three cars to two. Scrapped the plan now, will keep the sports car!

Years back I had a hot hatch with four wheel drive - a Lancia Delta HF Integrale with what seems at the time a lot of power - 185 bhp - but my it was quick and very very precise. Nothing could keep up with it in those days!

That's exactly it mate, can't afford the limitations of a drivers car so all rounder is what I'm after.

I would love an HF, always wanted one when I was younger but mk2 golf was a cheaper and easier car at the time

Nice to see you have a friendly nature, keyboard warrior no doubt.

I haven't commented to have an argument to feel free to move on.

As for the car costs I know what we are paying on both cars list and Monthly thanks though

Oh I must say well done getting approx £3-3500 off a new octy vRS tho[/quotealso got £2k over Any other dealer for trade in. Yes!

Very good deal indeed. Think most are averaging about £1-1500 off and just over £2k if cash deal

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Very good deal indeed. Think most are averaging about £1-1500 off and just over £2k if cash deal

Kenny,

Good you acknowledge my top deal-buyig and trading  .

Cheers,

Keith

Simple choice for me.

Golf - nice looking, expensive, smaller and most importantly not 0% apr with free servicing.

Octavia - nice looking, cheaper, 0% apr and free servicing

Simple choice in the end.

Very strange...

Yip the octavia is a good deal when on 0% need to admit not the most dynamic but has many good features and plus points with a few negative, but what car doesn't.

PCP does make them closer due to the golfs residuals but if you need space there is one answer

Very strange...

Yip the octavia is a good deal when on 0% need to admit not the most dynamic but has many good features and plus points with a few negative, but what car doesn't.

PCP does make them closer due to the golfs residuals but if you need space there is one answer

 

Well said, the GTD and vRS share many genetics, but simply wear different overcoats, so the choice really boils down to affordability, and practicality to suit your individual circumstances.

Edited 30 December, 201312 yr by aixlad

Well said, the GTD and vRS share many genetics, but simply wear different overcoats, so the choice really boils down to affordability, and practicality to suit your individual circumstances.

Golf has a shorter wheelbase (2631mm vs 2680mm for the Octavia) and is approx 30kgs lighter which partly explains why the Golf feels more nimble but not as spacious.

Well, I went for a test drive in a Leon and VRS. I much preferred the VRs (extra space, comfort and comparative performance. My neighbour bought the GTD and I've been out in it. While it is quite punchy, I much prefer my VRs. Incidentally, neighbour has had problems with GTD (squeaky steering issue/suspension problem and rear door rattle. He has just swapped his GTD for a one year old bmw 320d sport. He is unsure whether he's made the right decision and I think has the offer of getting his golf back because there's 1 or 2 minor paintwork issues on the bmw. Respect to bmw for even offering this. Personally, having driver the bmw, I think I'd keep that (sport plus mode is awesome). However, out of the three cars I'd keep my Octavia VRs. Can't fault it at the minute. Happy choosing! Damian

golf residuals arnt as good as the 6k price difference between the two models with similar specs over a 3 year period as was borne out with the GMFV's on VW and Skoda sites. Optional extras (which the Golf needs to bring it in line with the VRS spec) .make very little difference to the future 3 yr value on solutions. Golfs are expensive and depreciate at a similar rate to the Skoda and Seat versions with similar specs...if you think they do you are somewhat deluded

golf residuals arnt as good as the 6k price difference between the two models with similar specs over a 3 year period as was borne out with the GMFV's on VW and Skoda sites. Optional extras (which the Golf needs to bring it in line with the VRS spec) .make very little difference to the future 3 yr value on solutions. Golfs are expensive and depreciate at a similar rate to the Skoda and Seat versions with similar specs...if you think they do you are somewhat deluded

There would appear to be a theme here!

golf residuals arnt as good as the 6k price difference between the two models with similar specs over a 3 year period as was borne out with the GMFV's on VW and Skoda sites. Optional extras (which the Golf needs to bring it in line with the VRS spec) .make very little difference to the future 3 yr value on solutions. Golfs are expensive and depreciate at a similar rate to the Skoda and Seat versions with similar specs...if you think they do you are somewhat deluded

The base golf spec is slightly higher and it definately depreciates a lot less than the octy. They both cater for different needs. Octys main bonus is the space but then not everyone needs that. Good luck choosing, you may need it lol

The base golf spec is slightly higher and it definately depreciates a lot less than the octy. They both cater for different needs. Octys main bonus is the space but then not everyone needs that. Good luck choosing, you may need it lol

I have chosen Keith .... ordered a VRS TDi hatch on 23rd Dec

 

Personal preference but I think the Octy is a better looking car than the Golf anyway!!

 

Also the Golf residual after 3 years was around £14.5k (it was just over £29k taking into account total interest charges etc) with the Octy at £11.3k and as I got the new Octy for £22014 @ 0% and free servicing inc cruise and spare the actual cost of the golf was over 7k more not 6k as I posted earlier..even better

Edited 5 January, 201412 yr by morty

I have chosen Keith .... ordered a VRS TDi hatch on 23rd Dec

Personal preference but I think the Octy is a better looking car than the Golf anyway!!

Also the Golf residual after 3 years was around £14.5k (it was just over £29k taking into account total interest charges etc) with the Octy at £11.3k and as I got the new Octy for £22014 @ 0% and free servicing inc cruise and spare the actual cost of the golf was over 7k more not 6k as I posted earlier..even better

Totally agree, I think the octavia is way better, good choice indeed. Car buying is such a personal thing, many others will love the golf each to their own.

When I did a comparison I got similar spec cars to around £20 a month. Golf being more expensive

I drove the mk7 golf and dont get me wrong its a lovely car, but forever cant help but scratch your head and think why is less more money !?

I drove the mk7 golf and dont get me wrong its a lovely car, but forever cant help but scratch your head and think why is less more money !?

Its called badge snobbery

Golfs are expensive and depreciate at a similar rate to the Skoda and Seat versions with similar specs...if you think they do you are somewhat deluded

Eh?  I don't understand.

Its called badge snobbery

More like company strategy

Eh?  I don't understand.

the percentage of the new cost after say 3 years is very similar (depreciation)

the percentage of the new cost after say 3 years is very similar (depreciation)

 

Over a 3-year, 30,000 mile operating cycle, Fleet News provide the following calculations. Pence per Mile is the figure to use if drawing a comparison for total cost of ownership.  The figures indicate that the Golf would be expected to retain 52% of its value, whereas the Octavia retains 39%.

 

So, over the 3-year 30,000 mile cycle, the Golf will cost £16293, and the Octavia £18708, a difference of £2415.

 

Make                   Volkswagen                                                                    Skoda

Model                  Hatch                                                                              5Dr Estate

Derivative            Golf Hatch 5Dr 2.0TDI BM Tech 184 SS GTD 6 14MY            Octavia Estate 2.0TDi CR 184 DPF SS €5 vRS 6Spd 14MY

BIK P11D             26165                                                                             24330

VED                     0                                                                                     0

CO2                    109                                                                                  119

Insurance Group 26                                                                                   26 

MPG                    67.3                                                                                61.4

Residual value 13719                                                                              9645

Depreciation        41.49                                                                              48.95

SMR                     3.48                                                                               3.17

Fuel                     9.34                                                                               10.24

PPM                     54.31                                                                             62.36

Edited 14 January, 201412 yr by aixlad

Over a 3-year, 30,000 mile operating cycle, Fleet News provide the following calculations. Pence per Mile is the figure to use if drawing a comparison for total cost of ownership.  The figures indicate that the Golf would be expected to retain 52% of its value, whereas the Octavia retains 39%.

 

So, over the 3-year 30,000 mile cycle, the Golf will cost £16293, and the Octavia £18708, a difference of £2415.

 

Make                   Volkswagen                                                                    Skoda

Model                  Hatch                                                                              5Dr Estate

Derivative            Golf Hatch 5Dr 2.0TDI BM Tech 184 SS GTD 6 14MY            Octavia Estate 2.0TDi CR 184 DPF SS €5 vRS 6Spd 14MY

BIK P11D             26165                                                                             24330

VED                     0                                                                                     0

CO2                    109                                                                                  119

Insurance Group 26                                                                                   26 

MPG                    67.3                                                                                61.4

Residual value 13719                                                                              9645

Depreciation        41.49                                                                              48.95

SMR                     3.48                                                                               3.17

Fuel                     9.34                                                                               10.24

PPM                     54.31                                                                             62.36

 

I used the GMFV figures off each site and included the 0% finance on the Skoda deal and the current rate of interest on the VW finance deal and real world cost over 3 years was nothing like the theoretical figures above. I worked it out on total cost to ME.

 

Anyway its irrelivent really as I prefer the Octy shape to the Golf anyway so it was a no brainer

Edited 15 January, 201412 yr by morty