Thanks Steve

Hello

 

I find that "wax off" from Autobrite works very well. Washing with Fairy DOES NOT work. It gives the appearance that it does as the water stops beading making you think your wax has gone. But if you wash the car again or spray it with IPA you will see the water beads again. Fairy just puts a layer over your paint.

 

I wash with Farecla G3, then use wax off & then clay the car. Most if not all of the wax has then been removed, but if you polish your car after then you can be pretty sure all of the wax has gone.

 

Thanks

Bob

Hello

 

I find that "wax off" from Autobrite works very well. Washing with Fairy DOES NOT work. It gives the appearance that it does as the water stops beading making you think your wax has gone. But if you wash the car again or spray it with IPA you will see the water beads again. Fairy just puts a layer over your paint.

 

I wash with Farecla G3, then use wax off & then clay the car. Most if not all of the wax has then been removed, but if you polish your car after then you can be pretty sure all of the wax has gone.

 

Thanks

Bob

 

 

I think you have read the same detailing article i was directed to mate - i was shocked when the guy did the IPA wipedown!!!

But a few people have indicated this is the case long before now - Fairy liquid creates a film to appear squeaky clean.... not always true.

 

Luckily, i've never trusted the fairy liquid technique. I have Autobrite WAX OFF too; or just get the DA onto it....LOL  

I think you have read the same detailing article i was directed to mate - i was shocked when the guy did the IPA wipedown!!!

But a few people have indicated this is the case long before now - Fairy liquid creates a film to appear squeaky clean.... not always true.

 

Luckily, i've never trusted the fairy liquid technique. I have Autobrite WAX OFF too; or just get the DA onto it....LOL  

 

It probably is the same article, I admit I tried the Fairy method a few years ago as I read it was supposed to work. I never got it to work as I always found the car to still be protected.  Glad we agree on this one.

I'll have a look through and see if i can find the article.... i was going to post it last week but no one seemed interested.

 

If the thread is getting more views - worthy of a read for all and sundry....

Found it....

 

http://www.detailersandvaleters.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=543

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-X-5-LITRE-IPA-ISOPROPYL-ALCOHOL-ISOPROPANOL-LIQUID-99-9-TAMPERPROOF-CAP-/251257851755?pt=UK_BOI_Medical_Lab_Equipment_Lab_Supplies_ET&hash=item3a80228f6b

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-X-5-LITRE-IPA-ISOPROPYL-ALCOHOL-ISOPROPANOL-LIQUID-99-9-TAMPERPROOF-CAP-/251257851755?pt=UK_BOI_Medical_Lab_Equipment_Lab_Supplies_ET&hash=item3a80228f6b

 

Thanks mate - trusted seller? Always worried about dilutions etc.

^^^ 1900 containers sold... Getting on for 40 000 positive feedback. 

I'd say it's a safe bet for the outlay and potential loss. 

I buy the stuff in smaller amounts but this is the best value when you consider the free 

shipping. 

^^^ 1900 containers sold... Getting on for 40 000 positive feedback. 

I'd say it's a safe bet for the outlay and potential loss. 

I buy the stuff in smaller amounts but this is the best value when you consider the free 

shipping. 

 

OK - thanks for that. I have a litre bottle of IPA plus Wax-off sample bottle left;

but added the above to the "watch list" 

just remember that there is a strong view that strong IPA solutions are NOT good for paint.

 

Posted by Dr G, the found of Optimum car products and polymer scientist

 

"There is a lot of confusing information about solvents in general and IPA in particular. Let's limit our scope to cross-linked (enamel) clear coat finishes since that is the paint system on the majority of the cars we are talking about. Although there are many different paint systems being used, in all cases with this type of paint, IPA or other solvents will penetrate the paint and cause some swelling. Depending on the solvent, the degree of swelling varies and in some cases like with methylene chloride (within seconds) and MEK (within minutes), it can swell it to the point of delamination. IPA and mineral spirits do swell the paint but not to the same level of course. As the paint swells and expands, it also becomes softer. Since there are many different types of paints being used, some paints might soften to the point that even a gentle wipe down might cause micro marring while others may not mar even at much higher solvent concentrations. That might explain the variations in some of the observations different people have reported. 

While fast solvents such as IPA may fully evaporate at higher temperatures (e.g. 90 F) within hours, slower solvents like MS may take several days before they reach levels below 1%. But the notion that the solvents may be trapped in the paint forever or that the paint will soften permanently is absurd since clear coat paints start off with anywhere from 20-70% solvents and if this theory had any validity, then all paints should stay soft and/or some of the solvents should be trapped within the paint forever. 

Is IPA safe for paint and in what dilution? I would follow the recommendations of 10-25% IPA in water as a safe cleaning solution. The reason for this wide range is due to the variations in the clear coat paint systems. Therefore, when dealing with a soft clear coat or for those who notice a great deal of softening effect, they should stay at the lower end of the range while others can use the upper limit. Of course, the greater the percentage of IPA, the faster it will remove the oils.

Does it soften the paint either temporarily or permanently? While straight IPA or even 70% IPA can soften the paint excessively, as you increase the water level, the softening effect drops exponentially. In any case, as I explained earlier the softening effect is temporary."

Thanks for this

I'll add a little water to my dilution..at least it will go further...and be a little safer

just remember that there is a strong view that strong IPA solutions are NOT good for paint.

 

Posted by Dr G, the found of Optimum car products and polymer scientist

 

"There is a lot of confusing information about solvents in general and IPA in particular. Let's limit our scope to cross-linked (enamel) clear coat finishes since that is the paint system on the majority of the cars we are talking about. Although there are many different paint systems being used, in all cases with this type of paint, IPA or other solvents will penetrate the paint and cause some swelling. Depending on the solvent, the degree of swelling varies and in some cases like with methylene chloride (within seconds) and MEK (within minutes), it can swell it to the point of delamination. IPA and mineral spirits do swell the paint but not to the same level of course. As the paint swells and expands, it also becomes softer. Since there are many different types of paints being used, some paints might soften to the point that even a gentle wipe down might cause micro marring while others may not mar even at much higher solvent concentrations. That might explain the variations in some of the observations different people have reported. 

While fast solvents such as IPA may fully evaporate at higher temperatures (e.g. 90 F) within hours, slower solvents like MS may take several days before they reach levels below 1%. But the notion that the solvents may be trapped in the paint forever or that the paint will soften permanently is absurd since clear coat paints start off with anywhere from 20-70% solvents and if this theory had any validity, then all paints should stay soft and/or some of the solvents should be trapped within the paint forever. 

Is IPA safe for paint and in what dilution? I would follow the recommendations of 10-25% IPA in water as a safe cleaning solution. The reason for this wide range is due to the variations in the clear coat paint systems. Therefore, when dealing with a soft clear coat or for those who notice a great deal of softening effect, they should stay at the lower end of the range while others can use the upper limit. Of course, the greater the percentage of IPA, the faster it will remove the oils.

Does it soften the paint either temporarily or permanently? While straight IPA or even 70% IPA can soften the paint excessively, as you increase the water level, the softening effect drops exponentially. In any case, as I explained earlier the softening effect is temporary."

 

Well doesn't that just make products like Wax Off and Eraser look all the more appealing

Well doesn't that just make products like Wax Off and Eraser look all the more appealing

 

I would tend to agree with that statement Sir..... samples of both on the shelf for that exact reason! 

I really like Car Pro Eraser

Eraser is awesome and smells so nice.